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    Interesting Rules - Negative house edge?

    I recently came a across a game with a different grouping of rules that I haven't come across before:

    ENHC - if dealer gets a natural BJ -dealer wins everything including splits/doubles (pushes against a player's natural BJ).
    Dealer stands on soft 17.
    Full early surrender against a dealer's 10 or A.
    Double on any two cards
    Split up to 4 hands.
    DAS
    Aces split to 2 hands, one additional card only.
    6 Decks

    4.5-5 deck PEN, normal shuffle (not a continuous shuffle machine), bet spread (min/max) x20

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    Best I can tell the player has an edge of .08% to .10%.

    Can anyone confirm this?

    Thanks
    Last edited by tal32bur; 03-09-2021 at 04:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    I recently came a across a game with a different grouping of rules that I haven't come across before:

    ENHC - if dealer gets a natural BJ -dealer wins everything including splits/doubles (pushes against a player's natural BJ).
    Dealer stands on soft 17.
    Full early surrender against a dealer's 10 or A.
    Double on any two cards
    Split up to 4 hands.
    DAS
    Aces split to 2 hands, one additional card only.
    6 Decks

    4.5-5 deck PEN, normal shuffle (not a continuous shuffle machine), bet spread (min/max) x20

    -------

    Best I can tell the player has an edge of .08% to .10%.

    Can anyone confirm this?

    Thanks
    according to some online calculators, you are correct. Is this in Austria?

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    The 'catch' is that the max bets are extremely low.

    I'm guessing the local casinos are all run by the government with job creation is the main motivation for casinos rather than house profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    The 'catch' is that the max bets are extremely low.

    I'm guessing the local casinos are all run by the government with job creation is the main motivation for casinos rather than house profit.
    Most casinos have a 20-30% edge over the players because most players do not play basic strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Most casinos have a 20-30% edge over the players because most players do not play basic strategy.
    House edge as you’ve stated would negate their ability to attract repeat business. An inflicted stupidity of a formula for self destruction.

    Oh.......I’m still waiting for your successful analysis of the strategies pertaining to FBM ASC Advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tal32bur View Post
    I recently came a across a game with a different grouping of rules that I haven't come across before:

    ENHC - if dealer gets a natural BJ -dealer wins everything including splits/doubles (pushes against a player's natural BJ).
    Dealer stands on soft 17.
    Full early surrender against a dealer's 10 or A.
    Double on any two cards
    Split up to 4 hands.
    DAS
    Aces split to 2 hands, one additional card only.
    6 Decks

    4.5-5 deck PEN, normal shuffle (not a continuous shuffle machine), bet spread (min/max) x20

    -------

    Best I can tell the player has an edge of .08% to .10%.

    Can anyone confirm this?

    Thanks

    Hello tal32bur,

    The basic player's edge for this game is 0.116%
    Are you sure the DAS is up to 4 hands and not 3 ?

    I warn you to never disclose the location of such a game on an open board. You could see your game burned down in a few weeks.
    Be very private with it!
    G Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    House edge as you’ve stated would negate their ability to attract repeat business. An inflicted stupidity of a formula for self destruction.

    Oh.......I’m still waiting for your successful analysis of the strategies pertaining to FBM ASC Advanced.
    I am still waiting for Dog Hand to do an analysis on my ace side counting. Let me first clear my doubts on my part first. Yours is more advanced and needs a lot of work.

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    My calculator at https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/re...hp?do=edgepage says player edge of .066%.
    I just ran 20 billion rounds and it comes out as .065% with a standard error of .001.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    Hello tal32bur,

    The basic player's edge for this game is 0.116%
    Are you sure the DAS is up to 4 hands and not 3 ?

    I warn you to never disclose the location of such a game on an open board. You could see your game burned down in a few weeks.
    Be very private with it!

    Thank you, Norm and GMan.

    I know that I can split up to 4 hands, and I know that I can double after splitting, I don't know specifically if I am limited to 3 or 4 hands of doubling after the split. On that note, I guess its also possible that I can re-split Aces. I just haven't seen these scenarios, yet.

    I'm trying not to ask too many questions at the casino, and I've only been playing for a few days. Not all possible scenarios have occurred yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceside View Post
    Most casinos have a 20-30% edge over the players because most players do not play basic strategy.
    99.9% of statistics are made up. This is one of them.

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