Backed off after a relatively small win. Is this normal?

[D.A.]

So if one only allows oneself to reach max bets 2 or 3 times before leaving--that is indeed going to mean a lot more transit time from place to place. Up until now I've been playing 3 or 4 stores a day (playing maybe 8-10 hours/day). With this kind of strategy, I feel like I would have to hit 10 or 12 stores in a day to get a reasonable amount of table time in. Is that the correct way to go about it?

Also, regarding cashing in when one has been backed off, I'm still not clear: if I come back in on a later shift to cash purples, aren't they still going to call the pit to check on it? If so, what do I tell them so they're not suspicious? I've also noticed that they've called the pit a couple of times for confirmation when I've not been backed off and have tried to cash in smaller amounts (like $600)--are they on to me when they do that? Are they taking pictures?

Thanks again for all the advice.

-jjjggg

You can still play the same 3-4 stores for shorter sessions. Just remember that there are 3 shifts usually. Play two separate shifts at each casino as long as your heat wasn't serious. Also remember that surveillance shifts don't usually coincide with floor shifts. Plan well and you can get your hours in very easily.

As for cashing out, it depends greatly on the casino. Some will want verification for black chips while some wont blink at 5k chips. Often verification isn't because you had heat but is because of casino cashiering policies. Frankly, if you had serious heat or you were backed off, most places will already have a good pic of you. Just get the money and move along.

[Mr. White]

Also remember that surveillance shifts don't usually coincide with floor shiffts.

Does there tend to be an industry norm for the timing of this offset?

I feel like I read somewhere that surveillance shift change is often an hour off from dealer shift change, but I can't remember where I read/heard that, or even if I'm recalling accurately...

[D.A.]

Does there tend to be an industry norm for the timing of this offset?

I feel like I read somewhere that surveillance shift change is often an hour off from dealer shift change, but I can't remember where I read/heard that, or even if I'm recalling accurately...

I believe it's usually 1-2 hours after floor changes. But some are staggered at 4 hour intervals. You can be on the safe side and play in the first half of one shift and the second half of the other. If you don't suspect heat then waiting 2 hours after the floor changes usually is sufficient.

[21forme]

Another thing to consider is if you're only going to Vegas a few times a year, so what if you get backed off? Play anon, leave quietly when asked to, and repeat next visit. They are unlikely to remember you.

[Blackjacktilt]

It's not how much you win, but how you play the game. Many APs will tell you they were backed off more often when down, than up.

Couldn't have said it better. Let's repeat and say together.. IT'S NOT HOW MUCH YOU WIN, BUT HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME!!

[Mickey]

Does there tend to be an industry norm for the timing of this offset?

I feel like I read somewhere that surveillance shift change is often an hour off from dealer shift change, but I can't remember where I read/heard that, or even if I'm recalling accurately...

--> Perhaps it was here somewhere... (Shift times)

[steveistheman84]

i don't think i'd call 170 units a small win. that's bigger than any win i've ever had.

[blackjack avenger]

It depends on your definition of unit. By a sim guys definition of unit I have won 400 or more units regularly. By the pros definition this was only it was only 40 units.

This sim guy stuff being thrown around like an insult is confusing.
So players on their way to pro don't sim? So pros don't sim? All the improvements in the modern game through Sims mean nothing?

The term "pro" used to define skill can be misleading. Is a part timer clueless?

Was the MIT team highly skilled?
Didn't they use hi lo with no indicies?

Unit as minimum bet is the predominant term in literature, much written by pros or former.