Should casinos back off red chippers

**Solo player** · 02-18-2012, 07:15 PM

Something I ran across.

http://www.worldgameprotection.com/the-catwalk/poll/BOSVIEW/Should-a-card-counter-with-a-10-average-bet-be-backed-off/

**Anton Chigurh** · 02-18-2012, 07:55 PM

Enjoyed the comments, particularly:

Id [sic] be worried about said player being bank rolled by "richer" players. He may be just practising at your joint and running his big game at others. Shady is shady.

Being good is "shady"?

**shadroch** · 02-18-2012, 11:17 PM

I was recently backed off betting $1 on Lucky Ladys. Playing $3 on the BJ hand and $1 on the LL side bet, I had a nice little run and turned a $60 buy-in into almost $200. The breaking point was when I hit two 19-1 matchs in about four hands. I didn't bet the sidebet the first couple of rounds of the new shoe aand when I went to place the dollar chip in the LL circle the PB almost knocked over the table in his rush to push it back. I was told that I could only bet it if I bet every hand from the beginning of the next new shoe. He also told the dealer I couldn't bet more than $5 a hand, even though I had been flat-betting $3 all along. Just to bust his balls I asked him for a comp for two to his only eatery.

**Marvin** · 02-19-2012, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by shadroch

I was recently backed off betting $1 on Lucky Ladys. Playing $3 on the BJ hand and $1 on the LL side bet, I had a nice little run and turned a $60 buy-in into almost $200. The breaking point was when I hit two 19-1 matchs in about four hands. I didn't bet the sidebet the first couple of rounds of the new shoe aand when I went to place the dollar chip in the LL circle the PB almost knocked over the table in his rush to push it back. I was told that I could only bet it if I bet every hand from the beginning of the next new shoe. He also told the dealer I couldn't bet more than $5 a hand, even though I had been flat-betting $3 all along. Just to bust his balls I asked him for a comp for two to his only eatery.

Was this in the US? Can you PM me the joint's name so I don't bother ever stopping there? thx.

**Brock W** · 02-19-2012, 04:47 AM

So next time you go you'll keep that PB busy with your $1lucky lady bets while a partner blasts away max bets in the same pit.

**Zach Black** · 02-19-2012, 07:46 AM

This group is having a conference next week at the M. (Feb 27-29)

It's probably not be good time to play and made a real time case study for the conference.

http://www.worldgameprotection.com/conference/

**jaygruden** · 02-19-2012, 08:42 AM

I've heard of some AP's going to these conferences disguised as casino security personnel to gain "inside" perspective. Any merit in that?

**shadroch** · 02-19-2012, 11:34 AM

It was the Big Horn in North Vegas.

**moo321** · 02-19-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by jaygruden

I've heard of some AP's going to these conferences disguised as casino security personnel to gain "inside" perspective. Any merit in that?

Sure. You'd see the mentality they have. Go read the dealer/casino personnel forums sometime. It's eye opening.

**sagefr0g** · 02-20-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by moo321

Sure. You'd see the mentality they have. Go read the dealer/casino personnel forums sometime. It's eye opening.

yup, a wealth of information, surveillance sites as well, almost as good as AP sites.

**Blackriver** · 02-21-2012, 01:46 AM

Wow, link to the best one?

**bigplayer** · 02-23-2012, 06:50 PM

They shouldn't backoff anybody. Casinos can simply gradually reduce penetration if they find a genuine threat. Cutting off more than 2 decks from a six deck shoe or cutting off more than 1 deck from a double deck game basically makes the game unplayable by any normal standards of advantage play.