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    Opinion of Blackjack Apprenticeship?

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    Secondary to main activity means that this is not main vocation. A lot less time means a lot less than the suggested time span reported for Colin. Other regular business activities trump advantage play. AP play was icing on the cake.
    If Colin wasn’t a “pro” should he be running a bootcamp and/or a website dedicated to AP?

    If Colin was a “pro” with that kind of abysmal earning, should he be teaching? Or should anyone really believe what he’s selling?

    I am just asking questions.... but if it was upto me, I wouldn’t hand him my hard earned dollars.

    I don’t know Colin, never read his book, nor watched his documentary, so take my opinions for what its worth. As someone said already, it feels getting money from people who aren’t educated or want a quick way to get rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsiaodi View Post
    <snip>If Colin was a “pro” with that kind of abysmal earning, should he be teaching? Or should anyone really believe what he’s selling?

    I am just asking questions.... but if it was upto me, I wouldn’t hand him my hard earned dollars.<snip>
    Hsiaodi,

    Well, Ed Thorp never made much money playing BJ (even by the standards of his playing days), but that doesn't mean he didn't have something to teach BJ players back in the 60's with "Beat the Dealer".

    Dog Hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsiaodi View Post
    Those who can do, do. Those who can’t do, teach.
    True, but the fact that a person is not good at doing something doesnt necessarily mean he is not good at teaching it.

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    Opinion of Blackjack Apprenticeship?

    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    True, but the fact that a person is not good at doing something doesnt necessarily mean he is not good at teaching it.
    Yes one can certainly suck at both. But those who are good at doing it, should keep doing it, especially when one is able to make lots of money at it.

    Edit: I re-read what you wrote. I agree with you on some level. But I think AP is a skill that need to be practiced. If one cannot do it to begin with, I don’t necessarily trust you at teaching it.
    Do you want a surgeon practice every day or a surgeon that writes textbooks to operate on you?
    Do you want a carpenter who puts up nice YouTube videos for a nice project, who practiced behind the scene and only present you with the final product?

    It’s not like he’s teaching a test taking skill, like those SAT tutoring from Kaplan. He’s teaching a practical skill.
    Last edited by Hsiaodi; 08-16-2020 at 01:18 PM.

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    By implication, you might feel that no one should coach a sport who actually hasn't practiced that sport. And, while it's true that a great many coaches are, in fact, former athletes, that isn't always the case. I have never executed a long jump or triple jump in my life, but in my area of New York, I am generally considered one of the foremost authorities in coaching those events and have turned out multiple state and even national champions.

    Dog Hand mentioned Ed Thorp. I'll throw in Peter Griffin. He never played the game for more than nickels. But, he remains to this day our greatest teacher at least of the theoretical aspects of the game.

    Bottom line: Yes, someone who has "done it" often can teach in a manner that someone who hasn't done it can't. But, I would challenge the notion that, in order to be an effective teacher of a skill or craft, one needs to have practiced that skill himself/herself.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    By implication, you might feel that no one should coach a sport who actually hasn't practiced that sport. And, while it's true that a great many coaches are, in fact, former athletes, that isn't always the case. I have never executed a long jump or triple jump in my life, but in my area of New York, I am generally considered one of the foremost authorities in coaching those events and have turned out multiple state and even national champions.

    Dog Hand mentioned Ed Thorp. I'll throw in Peter Griffin. He never played the game for more than nickels. But, he remains to this day our greatest teacher at least of the theoretical aspects of the game.

    Bottom line: Yes, someone who has "done it" often can teach in a manner that someone who hasn't done it can't. But, I would challenge the notion that, in order to be an effective teacher of a skill or craft, one needs to have practiced that skill himself/herself.

    Don
    I agree with you here, Don. I know from personal experience that, for example, some of the professors who taught the best in my grad school were pure academics who had little practical firsthand experience. Some people are naturally gifted at conveying information in an easy to understand format, and for all I know Colin and the instructors at BJA are this type of person. There's nothing theoretically wrong with being a teacher who hasn't walked the path they are guiding others on, so long as the teacher acknowledges this and is still able to guide his pupils effectively.

    What I take exception to, however, is the marketing material of BJA, which constantly refers to Colin and crew as "Blackjack experts" who have taken millions off casinos. Maybe it's just a case of caveat emptor and reading the fine print, but when you break down the actual accomplishments of Colin himself and the Church Team to raw data, from what I can see they are not as impressive as portrayed. And again, if the rumors are true that Colin specifically singles out dissenting opinions on his site to maintain a veneer of rosiness, I also find this to be immoral and misleading.

    For me, responsible capitalism requires transparency of information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I have never executed a long jump or triple jump in my life, but in my area of New York, I am generally considered one of the foremost authorities in coaching those events and have turned out multiple state and even national champions.
    And then there's Don's book LJA3 - Long Jump Attack 3!

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    Overpriced. Enough said!

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    Don,

    Quick consulting dr. google found this


    “Jodi was indoctrinated early in the fundamentals of running and jumping by her father, Don, a former Metropolitan IC sprint champion and record-holder at CCNY who later taught and coached track on the junior high level.”

    I assume you have a daughter name Jodi

    There are some things and skills that do translate when you’re teaching. Just like some physicist who are good at variables, now can build financial models.

    Not mentioning that you were a good runner and record holder at another sport, I think is a little misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsiaodi View Post
    Don,

    Quick consulting dr. google found this

    “Jodi was indoctrinated early in the fundamentals of running and jumping by her father, Don, a former Metropolitan IC sprint champion and record-holder at CCNY who later taught and coached track on the junior high level.”

    I assume you have a daughter name Jodi

    There are some things and skills that do translate when you’re teaching. Just like some physicist who are good at variables, now can build financial models.

    Not mentioning that you were a good runner and record holder at another sport, I think is a little misleading.
    https://www.rctfhalloffame.com/jodi-...-salsberg.html

    The fact that I was a sprinter has virtually no carryover to knowledge for coaching the horizontal jumps.

    Don

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