Losing the Count - Confusing Dealer's Up Card with Down Card

[Mets]

Hi Everyone, I hope all is well.


I assume the vast majority of us count the dealer's up card as soon as it is dealt.

Please explain how you do not confuse the up card with the dealers hole card at the end of the hand?


I have been using the KO count in Atlantic City for four years and I only count the dealer's up card at the end of the hand.
I never confuse the up card with the hole card this way.

Also, I realize I need to count the up card at times when deviating
from basic strategy such as when to take insurance or stand 12 against a 2, etc.

[ZeeBabar]

You start counting only after dealer begins the dealing of the second car. So, assuming the first guy has a 4 and gets a 10 card, count is zero, second guy has a 6, gets 5 on it, count is plus 2, third guy gets a queen dealt on his first card which is a king, count goes back to Zero. Dealer has an 8 showing. Count is still Zero.

Now, you start counting as each player makes a decision and account any card that is dealt. When it comes to the dealer, you count the hole card as he flips it and then each card thereafter. This is for HiLo but the same procedure goes for your count.

If it’s a face down game, you start with your own hand and then count the dealers up card.

Now, if you use a side count, Freightman can chip in with his renowned, easy and enjoyable way of side counting.

[Freightman]

Now, if you use a side count, Freightman can chip in with his renowned, easy and enjoyable way of side counting.

Zee
Thank you for the referral.
Subtlety is key when using the FBM ASC. Of course, ASC efficiency can be increased when wearing shorts, boxer shorts and of course, pocket holes. As most men dress left, it is customary to commence with the left hand and systemically place one finger per ace displayed on the left nut. The process is repeated twice to account for the first 10 aces displayed.

Upon display of the 10th ace, the left hand is withdrawn and replaced with the right, simply repeating the prior noted procedure

Now, a deft and exciting opportunity is now available. Eye hand coordination is paramount. As the left hand is being removed, the index finger is held firmly at that point where the leg meets the torso. As the finger moves across the point described, ball sweat permeates the epidermal layer of the index finger and is then subtly moved under the nose. The ball scent generated stimulates arterial blood flow thus acting as a stimulus to the neural pathways resulting in much increased decision making speed.

Of course, initial hand choice may be altered to suit the practitioner and to account for factors. I trust this will serve as an initial introduction to the regaled FBM ASC.
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[Freightman]

Zee
Thank you for the referral.
Subtlety is key when using the FBM ASC. Of course, ASC efficiency can be increased when wearing shorts, boxer shorts and of course, pocket holes. As most men dress left, it is customary to commence with the left hand and systemically place one finger per ace displayed on the left nut. The process is repeated twice to account for the first 10 aces displayed.

Upon display of the 10th ace, the left hand is withdrawn and replaced with the right, simply repeating the prior noted procedure

Now, a deft and exciting opportunity is now available. Eye hand coordination is paramount. As the left hand is being removed, the index finger is held firmly at that point where the leg meets the torso. As the finger moves across the point described, ball sweat permeates the epidermal layer of the index finger and is then subtly moved under the nose. The ball scent generated stimulates arterial blood flow thus acting as a stimulus to the neural pathways resulting in much increased decision making speed.

Of course, initial hand choice may be altered to suit the practitioner and to account for factors. I trust this will serve as an initial introduction to the regaled FBM ASC.
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Zee
It’s a good think I proofread. If not, I would have been embarrassed for the last sentence to have read “I trust this will serve as an Italian introduction to the regaled FBM ASC.”

[21forme]

It’s a good think I proofread

Not so obvious here.

[Freightman]

Not so obvious here.

Seems I didn’t proofread my add on comment

[ZeeBabar]

Zee
Thank you for the referral.
Subtlety is key when using the FBM ASC. Of course, ASC efficiency can be increased when wearing shorts, boxer shorts and of course, pocket holes. As most men dress left, it is customary to commence with the left hand and systemically place one finger per ace displayed on the left nut. The process is repeated twice to account for the first 10 aces displayed.

Upon display of the 10th ace, the left hand is withdrawn and replaced with the right, simply repeating the prior noted procedure

Now, a deft and exciting opportunity is now available. Eye hand coordination is paramount. As the left hand is being removed, the index finger is held firmly at that point where the leg meets the torso. As the finger moves across the point described, ball sweat permeates the epidermal layer of the index finger and is then subtly moved under the nose. The ball scent generated stimulates arterial blood flow thus acting as a stimulus to the neural pathways resulting in much increased decision making speed.

Of course, initial hand choice may be altered to suit the practitioner and to account for factors. I trust this will serve as an initial introduction to the regaled FBM ASC.
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There were a couple of times, the count got extremely high and the player started jerking and groaning. Turns out, his girl friend was also using the same equipment to count...

[Freightman]

There were a couple of times, the count got extremely high and the player started jerking and groaning. Turns out, his girl friend was also using the same equipment to count...

Sharing equipment is not necessary, thanks to FBM Accessories Corp - TSX FBMA. Now available - inflatable balls - available as a set in a myriad of colours. Of course, each set carefully produced to display slightly different spherical shapes to more closely resemble the gentleman who dresses left.

[Freightman]

There were a couple of times, the count got extremely high and the player started jerking and groaning. Turns out, his girl friend was also using the same equipment to count...

I’m curious - did said girlfriend manage to increase decision making speed through stimulus of the neural pathways.

[ZeeBabar]

I’m curious - did said girlfriend manage to increase decision making speed through stimulus of the neural pathways.

First time, yes...but the next shoe was similar and this time decision making too long..

[BJGenius007]

Hi Everyone, I hope all is well.


I assume the vast majority of us count the dealer's up card as soon as it is dealt.

Please explain how you do not confuse the up card with the dealers hole card at the end of the hand?

Use your short term memory. As soon as the up card is revealed, taught yourself the upcard is XX. Then when it is side by side with the downcard later, you won't confuse which card is the upcard.

[BJPloppy]

Please explain how you do not confuse the up card with the dealers hole card at the end of the hand?


I have been using the KO count in Atlantic City for four years and I only count the dealer's up card at the end of the hand.
I never confuse the up card with the hole card this way.

Frequently, the way you have played your hand will let you know which card was the up-card. If not, you should know the pattern the dealer uses. Watch enough hands to determine the pattern the dealer uses when multiple cards are drawn.

[21forme]

You need to pay more attention to the game. You may notice higher EV plays as you do.