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    Can you still beat the casino

    Hey guys just wanted to get some of your opinions on - can an AP still make their EV in card counting providing one has a large enough bankroll and travels the country to hit every good shop with good rules, good pen and plays with no cover and just gets backed off and moves on to the next casino trying to get 1000 hrs play in a year. Ex. With a 50,000 dollar bankroll betting strategy 1-20 , standard deviation, risk approx 0.50% , ev 109.00 an hr. Which should mean $100,000 AV in 1,000 hrs.

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    Watch 'Inside the Edge'

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    Don’t think you considered travel expense in your ROR Calc. It is an effect.

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    Ain’t going to be much fun, be very stressful, unhealthy. Hotel costs, car rental, flights, motels, factor those in and you would have to play higher stakes. It’s not much fun when you fly to, say San Francisco or Phioadelphia, take a rental car, drive an hour and then get backed off within the first 10 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    then get backed off within the first 10 minutes.
    10 minutes? Seriously?

    I've never been backed off anywhere in 10 minutes, unless they recognize me from a past backoff.
    Must be your OSN entry and/or playing rated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    10 minutes? Seriously?
    Absolutely. They may have made that decision near the end of your previous visit and got your plate number. Just waiting for a return visit.

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    Did anyone get backed off playing a 6 deck shoe? Does surveillance care about counters at a 6 deck shoe table or are they more concerned with double deck play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tex View Post
    Did anyone get backed off playing a 6 deck shoe? Does surveillance care about counters at a 6 deck shoe table or are they more concerned with double deck play?

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    As this is only your fourth post, you're excused. I would be reasonably sure that more counters have been backed off of 6-deck shoes than of all the other possibilities combined.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I would be reasonably sure that more counters have been backed off of 6-deck shoes than of all the other possibilities combined.
    That's only because there are so many more 6 (or 8) deck shoes. If you look at incidence per table of backoffs of shoe vs. DD, I would expect DD backoffs are at least 10x higher and occur much quicker. Most experienced APs don't go near DD games for counting.

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    "I would expect DD backoffs are at least 10x higher and occur much quicker. Most experienced APs don't go near DD games for counting."

    Strange juxtaposition of two seemingly antithetical thoughts: "backoffs are 10x higher," BUT ... "APs don't go near DD games for counting." So how does that lead to10x higher backoffs? :-)

    Reminds me of a famous Yogiism: "Nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded." :-)

    Don

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