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    Bet spread vs rising table minimums

    So, you plan a bet spread for the 6Deck H17 game that your going to play at 8:00 am at your local store. At 10:00 am they change the table minimums from $10 per hand to $15 per hand. Do you keep your original bet spread? At 1:00 pm they change the table mins from $15 per hand to $20 do you keep your original bet spread? At 4:00 pm the minimums are now $25 per hand, what to do? At 6:00pm all you can find is $25 and $50 table mins, what do you do?




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    If you are grandfathered in at your original bet (which most casinos do, but not all), then yes, keep your original bet spread. If you are playing a higher minimum, you need to raise your maximum proportionally, however, make sure your bankroll can support the higher level of play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    If you are grandfathered in at your original bet (which most casinos do, but not all), then yes, keep your original bet spread. If you are playing a higher minimum, you need to raise your maximum proportionally, however, make sure your bankroll can support the higher level of play.
    1. Caveat in being grandfathered - in some places, you lose the lower min once you’ve raised your bet.
    2. Assuming your bankroll can support, why not start off at a $25 bet, progressively dropping mins at increasing negative counts. As mins increase, then obviously drop to the new lower minimum bet. This will give you a higher effective spread versus a slightly decreased SCORE, and camouflage your bankroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    .... why not start off at a $25 bet, progressively dropping mins at increasing negative counts....
    Ah, perhaps, you dont want to look like a card counter?....surprisingly, of all people - Monsuer "head-to-head" would say such a thing....what is happening when "the count is getting progressively negative"???....answer: big cards are coming out...what should be happening when big cards are coming out???...answer: you should be winning....difficult for many to comprehend, but think about it....why give them any more info then necessary???...just sayin

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    Ah, perhaps, you dont want to look like a card counter?....surprisingly, of all people - Monsuer "head-to-head" would say such a thing....what is happening when "the count is getting progressively negative"???....answer: big cards are coming out...what should be happening when big cards are coming out???...answer: you should be winning....difficult for many to comprehend, but think about it....why give them any more info then necessary???...just sayin

    Good luck
    Snarky, don’t you ever get tired of shoving your own foot out through your ass, as in the Please help a newbie thread. If you weren’t so intent in busting my chops, you might actually add some value.

    Granted, there is truth to your comments, but there is so so much more. Must I taunt you again? Let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Snarky, don’t you ever get tired of shoving your own foot out through your ass, as in the Please help a newbie thread. If you weren’t so intent in busting my chops, you might actually add some value.

    Granted, there is truth to your comments, but there is so so much more. Must I taunt you again? Let me know.
    Yes...please do

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    Btw...not busting chops, either...just being honest

    Frankly, all I remember about "freighty"..was some thread a long time ago...when you were "so enthralled" about playing with who you suspected were also APs...and said "count went high, hi increased my bet and got a double snapper ((blackjack), then lowered my bet back to table min, I wonder what they thought"...

    And I responded that they probably thought " this kat has no clue of cover"..

    sound familiar, freighty???....that's all I recall...please enlighten...curious...serious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    Btw...not busting chops, either...just being honest

    Frankly, all I remember about "freighty"..was some thread a long time ago...when you were "so enthralled" about playing with who you suspected were also APs...and said "count went high, hi increased my bet and got a double snapper ((blackjack), then lowered my bet back to table min, I wonder what they thought"...

    And I responded that they probably thought " this kat has no clue of cover"..

    sound familiar, freighty???....that's all I recall...please enlighten...curious...serious
    Nope, don’t recall - provide the reference.

    I was referring to your ridiculous comments, chastising me for my comments regarding repLenishable bankroll. Ring a bell? - I suggested you to argue with Snyder, providing reference to Blackbelt in Blackjack as well as providing pertinent page numbers. You never did apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    Yes...please do
    Halfway through a response and realize - why am I wasting time with this pompous self aggrandizing idiotic clown. As you once so eloquently stated - you’re just a pimple on my ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Halfway through a response and realize - why am I wasting time with this pompous self aggrandizing idiotic clown. As you once so eloquently stated - you’re just a pimple on my ass.
    Back in form...he is baaaack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    ....As you once so eloquently stated - you’re just a pimple on my ass.
    yeah...steal my lines, buddy...i'll take it as a complement..as the saying goes: "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
    as for your ridiculous advice on this tread, freighty says:
    • bet 2.5 times table min out of the gate (hope you realize you are at a disadvantage here)
    • play as much head-to-head as possible
    • as big cards come out....reduce your bet
    • wear a sign on your forehead: I am (attempting) to count


    now, for what a legit pro does (WWSD - What Would Sharky Do - I actually have one of those black n white oval signs WWSD on the back window of my Bugatti):
    • generally, play table min out of gate
    • when table min changes, ROLL WITH IT
    • 99% of time, one has to ask to be 'grandfathered' in, particularly at lower stakes
    • NEVER, EVER draw this, or any, attention to yourself (see when the PC goes on break, or changes shifts they have to point out: Shary is grandfathered in...you don't want this attention...ditto for every dealer change)
    • spread to the hills
    • win


    i'll also add that I play a MUCH different game than most here....table min is just a fraction of my "unit"...read that, then read it again to comprehend

    good luck

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    btw, I, too, play as much head-to-head as possible...just pointing out as that's all you say you play...so when you suggest that lowering your bet as the count goes negative...you have a 50-50 chance of getting all those big cards that drove the count south in h-2-h....so decreasing your bet suggests that "the dealer is getting all the big cards, while i suffer w/ neutrals and low cards"....more ploppyism....but go ahead and keep lowering your bet and wear that sign on your forehead

    you are just a pimple...only reasons i remember you is your comment about getting that "snapper" - in 40 plus years I have to admit I never heard a BJ referred as such...and second, how irate you got at me for giving my honest advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    btw, I, too, play as much head-to-head as possible...just pointing out as that's all you say you play...so when you suggest that lowering your bet as the count goes negative...you have a 50-50 chance of getting all those big cards that drove the count south in h-2-h....so decreasing your bet suggests that "the dealer is getting all the big cards, while i suffer w/ neutrals and low cards"....more ploppyism....but go ahead and keep lowering your bet and wear that sign on your forehead

    you are just a pimple...only reasons i remember you is your comment about getting that "snapper" - in 40 plus years I have to admit I never heard a BJ referred as such...and second, how irate you got at me for giving my honest advice
    You must be feeling fatigued by spewing all that bullshit. You’re running low. Just produce the comments you indicated, in context, or finish the replenishable bankroll scenario p, which you abandoned after being hoisted in your own petard.

    Your references to opposition betting are well noted, and are certainly a big part of my arsenal. The trick is knowing when to use it, and when not to. Your all encompassing comment tells me that you take more than a few shit kickings.

    In any event, I now give you the opportunity of spewing additional venom, by addressing the concept of quality of true count, especially as it pertains to opposition betting, coupled with a dual ramp betting scheme (which increases the effective spread). You might be able to figure out how that pertains to effective margin.

    By the way, I don’t need to impress anyone with Bugatti comments. How garish. Mind you, I just booked a couple of suites in a resort area for my sons, their wives and my grandchildren and for myself and my wife. Blackjack paid it. Is that garish or us it simply a reflection on how I prefer to spend money.

    Dribble some more if you like - you’ve already demonstrated an inability to shoot.

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