7,7 vs 8

[DSchles]

Thats a weakness. At the local casinos, it’s kind of like a “cheers” atmosphere, there is comraderie at the table, story telling, everyone gets along and I kind of like harmony so at times, I have deferred to their wishes...especially when I have a minimum bet, the count is negative and the dealer upcard is a 4-6.

When is 7,7 against an 8 and i have a big bet out, similar to 8,8 against 9, 10, sort of “choked”. Specially after previous split had resulted in loses as dealer had 19,20 to my 18s’.

You care way too much about individual results of hands. NOTHING means anything except playing correctly and putting in hours. You concentrate on remembering the wrong things. It's too bad that you weren't actually taught to play by a more experienced, skillful individual than to have, obviously, taught yourself. You might have avoided all these amateurish habits. But your biggest fault today remains to be mired in these errors when you now know that they're wrong.

Don

[21forme]

it’s kind of like a “cheers” atmosphere, there is comraderie at the table, story telling, everyone gets along and I kind of like harmony so at times, I have deferred to their wishes...

That is a serious problem with your play and you need to fix it or be happy with a close to break even game. There should be a compromise where you can play correctly and still chat with everyone. Just tell them you read the newest BJ book written by a friend of yours (Colin) and it's teaching you how to play better :-)

[ZeeBabar]

You care way too much about individual results of hands. NOTHING means anything except playing correctly and putting in hours. You concentrate on remembering the wrong things. It's too bad that you weren't actually taught to play by a more experienced, skillful individual than to have, obviously, taught yourself. You might have avoided all these amateurish habits. But your biggest fault today remains to be mired in these errors when you now know that they're wrong.

Don

Yes. A life lived in financial insecurity, living on fixed income, watching every expense (bought a used Electric car to save a few dollars on gas recently), it’s been tough overcoming life long habits. Much harder than I expected.

I have a $75k bankroll but find it hard to max bet more than $200 or play a $50 minimum DD game.

I have resorted to posting mistakes I make/made, get scolded or ridiculed, which I remember on my next outing and fight the urge to under bet or not make certain plays or preserve a small win and such.

[albee]

Let's think about the math. 7/7 vs 8.....negative count, split the 7's and hope for low cards (2,3,4) and then double. High count, possibly surrender or stay, or hope for the best and hit. It depends on the count. It would suck to split and have two 17's against a 18 or 19 (ace in the hole), now you lost twice as much if you split. Math should dictate your decision.

[Meistro123]

Actually it is the opposite, you want to split 77 v 8 in a multi deck game in a higher count. +5 for hi lo.

[PinkChip]

Yes, because with many Tens still to come, it is better to get two 7 starting hands (where you have more options to avoid busting, e.g. draw a low and a high card) than to bust your hard 14 by the next card already. (7,7) versus 8 is a defensive split like (8,8) versus 9, not so clear but tending in the same direction (turning a bad stiff hand, which is likely to lose against a good dealer upcard, into two mediocre hands).

[ZeeBabar]

Yes, because with many Tens still to come, it is better to get two 7 starting hands (where you have more options to avoid busting, e.g. draw a low and a high card) than to bust your hard 14 by the next card already. (7,7) versus 8 is a defensive split like (8,8) versus 9, not so clear but tending in the same direction (turning a bad stiff hand, which is likely to lose against a good dealer upcard, into two mediocre hands).

So what is the index for splitting in a DD game, a 6 deck game?

[BJGenius007]

So what is the index for splitting in a DD game, a 6 deck game?

Meistro123 is right. You want to split when TC is high. For Hi-Lo, the threshold is +5.

[DSchles]

So what is the index for splitting in a DD game, a 6 deck game?

I already gave it in my post. It's 0 for DD with H17 and +2 for 6-deck. You don't split if S17.

Don

[JBourne]

Meistro123 is right. You want to split when TC is high. For Hi-Lo, the threshold is +5.

+5 is correct for standard HL (both H17 and S17).

Just to be clear, I think OP was asking for the halves index, which is what Don provided.

[ShipTheCookies]

I already gave it in my post. It's 0 for DD with H17 and +2 for 6-deck. You don't split if S17.

Don

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what difference does H17 have over S17 on the split 7,7 vs 8 play? With an 8 up, the dealer cannot achieve a soft 17. Did you mean DAS vs NDAS?

[BJPloppy]

I already gave it in my post. It's 0 for DD with H17 and +2 for 6-deck. You don't split if S17.

Don

Did you mean to say don't split if NDAS? I ask because CVBJ does not reflect a change in the index for H17 vs. S17. I checked the indices for Hi-Lo; Halves; and HO2.

[DSchles]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what difference does H17 have over S17 on the split 7,7 vs 8 play? With an 8 up, the dealer cannot achieve a soft 17. Did you mean DAS vs NDAS?

Yes, sorry. I misspoke. Didn't mean H17 and S17. Meant NDAS and DAS. My error.

Don