At what point does 6 deck become better than DD...

[ZeeBabar]

I am asking, given the following constraints...It’s an issue I am faced with often. When to leave the DD game for the 6 deck game?

There is a single DD game, a few 6 deck games available..

You have to play all in the DD game, H-17, standard DD rules, DAS.

You can wong out at TC-2 on 6 deck, go to another table...

Penn is 75%, ignore heat.

1. Is the DD game still better if playing heads up?

2. Is it better to play DD with 2 other players as opposed to moving to the 6 deck game?

Comments, suggestions..

[PinkChip]

I am asking, given the following constraints...It’s an issue I am faced with often. When to leave the DD game for the 6 deck game?

There is a single DD game, a few 6 deck games available..

You have to play all in the DD game, H-17, standard DD rules, DAS.

You can wong out at TC-2 on 6 deck, go to another table...

Penn is 75%, ignore heat.

1. Is the DD game still better if playing heads up?

2. Is it better to play DD with 2 other players as opposed to moving to the 6 deck game?

Comments, suggestions..

What are the rules of the 6 deck game? S17 or H17, DAS or NDAS, LS or not, RSA, DOA, ... ?

[Jabberwocky]

On a general level, I would choose the heads up DD game on the assumption that both games are similar in rule structure. Even if the DD game is only 50% pen.

[BJGenius007]

I am asking, given the following constraints...It’s an issue I am faced with often. When to leave the DD game for the 6 deck game?

There is a single DD game, a few 6 deck games available..

You have to play all in the DD game, H-17, standard DD rules, DAS.

You can wong out at TC-2 on 6 deck, go to another table...

Penn is 75%, ignore heat.

1. Is the DD game still better if playing heads up?

2. Is it better to play DD with 2 other players as opposed to moving to the 6 deck game?

Comments, suggestions..

Penetration is important as well as the rule set. You need to calculate SCORE on both cases then compare which one is better.

[Ryemo]

This would be an easy question to answer with CVCX.

[21forme]

1. Is the DD game still better if playing heads up?

2. Is it better to play DD with 2 other players as opposed to moving to the 6 deck game?

Comments, suggestions..

1. Yes
2. Maybe (see below). The advantage of one or even two players at DD is you can wong out and let the others finish the negative shoe. Even heads up, you can take a few phone calls, go to the bathroom, etc. several times/hour.

75% pen on 6D is not good. Probably equivalent to 50% on DD (see below).

This would be an easy question to answer with CVCX.

This is the definitive answer.

[ZeeBabar]

1. Yes
2. Maybe (see below). The advantage of one or even two players at DD is you can wong out and let the others finish the negative shoe. Even heads up, you can take a few phone calls, go to the bathroom, etc. several times/hour.

75% pen on 6D is not good. Probably equivalent to 50% on DD (see below).


This is the definitive answer.

Thanks, assuming wonging out is not possible at DD, the 6 deck game, H17 but all other rules are regular (DAS, split to 4 hands) and the penetration is about 1.2-1.5 decks.

I wondered if the ability to not play negative shoes beyond TC-2 means the 6 deck game is better.

You can only take so many breaks on a single DD game.

[21forme]

I agree with you, but you can probably take DD breaks every 10-15 minutes, which is probably enough. You don't want to wong out of DD after the first or second round, even if it goes significantly negative, as a single 5 or 6 card hand can flip it back around. Get creative with ways to deal with your phone (call, text, check stock market, etc.) Tougher if you still have a flip phone

I've simmed DD vs 6D in the past. You need an excellent 6D game (90% pen) to beat the average DD game (60% pen). That's assuming a 1-6 or 8 spread on DD and 1-12+ on 6D.

[ZeeBabar]

I agree with you, but you can probably take DD breaks every 10-15 minutes, which is probably enough. You don't want to wong out of DD after the first or second round, even if it goes significantly negative, as a single 5 or 6 card hand can flip it back around. Get creative with ways to deal with your phone (call, text, check stock market, etc.) Tougher if you still have a flip phone

I've simmed DD vs 6D in the past. You need an excellent 6D game (90% pen) to beat the average DD game (60% pen). That's assuming a 1-6 or 8 spread on DD and 1-12+ on 6D.

Thanks. I usually play short sessions (under an hour) in Las Vegas, longer where other casinos are far away. Generally, I have to play all when heads up, seldom take more than 1 break per session when others are at table, depart when a 4th spot is taken up and it looks like everyone is likely to stick around. I usually restrict myself to small wins ($200-$300) and end the session but occasionally, variance gets my side and I end up $500+.

[JBourne]

I've simmed DD vs 6D in the past. You need an excellent 6D game (90% pen) to beat the average DD game (60% pen). That's assuming a 1-6 or 8 spread on DD and 1-12+ on 6D.

I also consider longevity. I don't want to misplay for cover, but I make an effort to be creative with my betting to make it harder to figure out. DD is harder to hide it since the count moves faster. As long as I am not giving up really big $EV/hr I will probably stick to the 6-deck. I figure a long runway of opportunity is better than squeezing the EV and getting barred.

[ZeeBabar]

I also consider longevity. I don't want to misplay for cover, but I make an effort to be creative with my betting to make it harder to figure out. DD is harder to hide it since the count moves faster. As long as I am not giving up really big $EV/hr I will probably stick to the 6-deck. I figure a long runway of opportunity is better than squeezing the EV and getting barred.

Probably true playing local casinos or playing with card. When hitting a place while traveling, playing anonymous, using some betting cover, I prefer DD.

[Stealth]

The 6 deck game wins IF you can play the majority of hands at positive counts. That is aggressive wonging out at negatives.

Otherwise the DD game wins.