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    Quote Originally Posted by SplitEm View Post
    I found those charts (and the way CVCX is set up when looking at the basic strategy) to be confusing as well. Wizard of Odds puts together a chart that should clear up all your confusion - at least for basic strategy.

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/black...ategy/4-decks/

    Edit: I've also memorized the different versions of basic strategy for the two types of shoe games (S17 and H17), but you may find it easier just to memorize the composite version. I believe Norm calls out in his book that implementing the S17 version over the H17 when playing a H17 game, you're losing like .005% edge. Which is only half a penny for every $100 bet. Your call whether that's worth anything to you. (Check those numbers, I could be off by a little bit).
    Thanks for the wizofoz link! Yes, the 0.005% are correct, but Norm also states that for a counter the difference is more than that. I currently try to streamline my playing strategy for counting and am concerned about the Surrender stuff, because

    1.) Most BS tables are based on S17 of the good old times, but nowadays H17 is much more prevalent, especially for low stakes, which I would have to play.

    2.) When I have a large bet out and get 14 or 17 versus dealer Ace, I would prefer to surrender (risk-averse play). The (7,7) hand is quite rare, but (10,4) or (10,7) occurs much more often.
    Last edited by PinkChip; 12-01-2019 at 04:22 PM.

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