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    Think I lost a chain...

    I have Players cards from most of the casino chains found in alas Vegas and MS. In my early years, I used them often, got away with it (probably because I was not very good) and after getting into OSN, have been more judicious when I use a Players Card.

    Using a Players Card worked for me when I felt excessive heat or attention. The Players Card often significantly reduced heat as they tended to keep a close eye when I played anonymously, moved away to other tables when I used my Players Card. It still does at all chains except one! Maybe this chain noticed that I had been winning more than I was losing at their casinos.

    in any case, on my last trip, heat increased after I handed in my Players Card. It’s almost like they have a notation by my name in their computers. As soon as they swiped my card at this chain’s casino (and it happened a few times), they gave me peculiar glances, keep coming to my table, watch me play. It was very disconcerting. I played ultra short sessions, walked away, return to another pit or table, same thing. Finally, at one casino, where I just spread 1-3 on a DD game, went down $600, slowly came back up to even, maybe up a $100 and security came up.

    I got a tap on my shoulder, asked to please step away, then told that I cannot play Blackjack but was welcome to play anything else. I did not argue (maybe my quiet compliance affirmed their decision) and left.

    I played at 3 different casinos of the same chain, used a Players Card, was backed away just once but received greater heat after they swiped my card. However, they did not remove me from my comped room at one of their casino.

    I guess they must have some notation on their computer but only one place took action. Other casinos had no problem with my using their players card.

    I have been reducing how often Zi use a Zplayers card but at that one chain, I will only use it as long as they keep my comps up.

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    Sounds like Caesar’s

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    Most of the more experienced players on the forum have told you for years not to play rated. You argued, saying it didn't matter. It finally caught up to you.

    Time to play unrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Most of the more experienced players on the forum have told you for years not to play rated. You argued, saying it didn't matter. It finally caught up to you.

    Time to play unrated.
    i can’t agree with you on the first part as I am still using comped rooms on my trips, most of which I could not have afforded without 5he comps. I mean, it costs me $150 RT airfare, another $100 in car rental and $100 in miscellaneous for a 3 day trip to alas Vegas. If I paid for rooms and all my meals, those short visits would be impossible.

    Yes, it’s time to play unrated but I have much to learn about playing under significant scrutiny, about disguising my play. With a Players Card and almost no scrutiny, I always start with the $25 min, bet with count, and pretty much bet according to count though not optimally. When I play unrated, have heat, sometimes I don’t increase my bet or underbetting and sometimes, I don’t reduce m6 bet. Also, I deal poorly with back offs, get depressed when they happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Most of the more experienced players on the forum have told you for years not to play rated. You argued, saying it didn't matter. It finally caught up to you.

    Time to play unrated.
    Well he has never been one to listen to sound advice. And becomes very hard headed when someone disagrees with him and/or suggests he is wrong. Yet he still talks like a pro.

    Can't wait for his so insightful response.
    "I think, therfore I can't play blackjack."
    Arnold Snyder, Blackbelt in Blackjack pg. 229 (2005)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solo player View Post
    Well he has never been one to listen to sound advice. And becomes very hard headed when someone disagrees with him and/or suggests he is wrong. Yet he still talks like a pro.

    Can't wait for his so insightful response.
    If YOU disagree with me, start by telling when and if you ever played rated. Then, tell us why I am wrong. I have repeatedly stated the benefits that I got and still have from playing rated. In the half a dozen other casinos, both chains and single ones, I will still occasionally play rated because the comped rooms, meals and free play are worth it for a low stakes player like me.

    If one is playing low stakes and short trips, it is essential to have the comps. You got on this thread with nothing to contribute.

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    Come on. You started a thread about how you lost a chain due to rated play and now you’re still defending your choice to play rated.

    Do it differently. Play a break even game at a non-chain casino of your choice for comps and play unrated everywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthat16 View Post
    Come on. You started a thread about how you lost a chain due to rated play and now you’re still defending your choice to play rated.

    Do it differently. Play a break even game at a non-chain casino of your choice for comps and play unrated everywhere else.
    I lost a chain does NOT mean I made a mistake. I only meant I cannot play rated at THAT casino. I can go to the very same casino and play anonymously the next time. In the mean time, I can stay in comped rooms at other casino chains in that city, still use Players card when I need to.

    Its what I did in my recent visit to that city. After the back off, I went to other casinos of the same chain, played anonymously. I played rated and unrated all over the city.

    When I said I lost a chain, I meant that I could no longer use their Players Card to diffuse scrutiny any more, likely will no longer get comps from that chain. It did not mean anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    still use Players card when I need to.
    Until you lose the next chain.

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