Willing to give up my Account for KewlJ Reinstatement!

[BoSox]

Yes, yes, yes. His calculations and concept of avoiding variance were debunked by several members.

Regardless, many new players took the bait hook line and sinker. Who knows the number of players that were subsequently hurt and possibly gave up the game.

Earlier in post #8, you wrote in reference to KJ:

"

He has caused more damage to the AP community than any other person, including the Fight Club group in the days of the AP forum wars. The damage continues to this day, after years."

Regarding the AP community itself, KJ has been nothing but an asset. I resent you saying otherwise.

[Midwest Player]

Please leave this thread up. It gives both sides of the story. For those of us who have been around for a while, we have heard it all before. Newbies may not know about KJ, but if they go to other forums they will see his posts. And yes, KJ will bring this up again. It seems like the longest he can go without bringing it up again is like 3 or 4 months.

[Norm]

Took what bait? He described no system for them to use. There was no bait. How could they be harmed? I've never heard one single complaint or one lost dollar. And you are suggesting T was the only person he attacked. Bull. He viciously attacked, for years, multiple people claiming that they committed fraud. Shack has contributed more to newbies than just about anyone in the field, and has been a KJ victim in hundreds of posts. OTOH, KJ's claim that you cannot play RPC, Hi-Opt II, or other multi-level counts, or use side counts without making so many errors that you would make less money than with HiLO HAS cost players money. I generally suggest HiLo or KO to new players. BUT, it is ridiculously closed minded to assume all player capabilities and all circumstances are the same as his. HE has negatively impacted some players. T has NOT.

His posts in this thread are all outright, fantastical lies. He will continue posting that I didn't answer him when I answered him in detail.

He has caused more damage to the AP community than any other person, including the Fight Club group in the days of the AP forum wars. The damage continues to this day, after years. I stand by this and have no idea what this has to do with you.

AP cannot stand still. The casinos aren't standing still. A forum is a place where we discuss possibilities. Some will be rejected. Edison's first 1,000 attempts to create a light bulb failed. The casinos are the opponents. KJ pits AP against AP, and has done so for years. This harms us all.

[BoSox]

Took what bait? He described no system for them to use. There was no bait. How could they be harmed? I've never heard one single complaint or one lost dollar.

Don't you see it? Three gave the newbies false hopes and dreams. They were led to believe that the game was easier than the reality. They had a hero who could tame variance. At the very least many of those people did learn Hi OP11 right from the start with co-conspirator ZMF help and were off and running theoretically speaking. The fact remains from reading many of their subsequent posts it was obviously evident that some of them knew very little about casino comportment itself, money-management theory and were either overbetting or getting kicked out frequently.

[21forme]

Sorry, Norm, but I disagree with you. KJ has helped more people than just about anyone posting on the forums. He is a real player who posted his experiences and results. His biggest flaw, which continues to this day, is he doesn't know when to shut up and let it go (and I've told him that privately). But he's not the only one.

[Norm]

Don't you see it?

And don't you see it? T was repeatedly told he was wrong. And contrary to KJ's lies, I left those posts up. They are still up. Someone that made claims that were not valid was correctly challenged. And those challenging posts still exist despite KJ's years of lies saying that I stopped them. That is, the forum functioned exactly how a good forum should function. A good forum allows nonsense and then explains why it is wrong. It does NOT allow false accusations of criminality. I don't understand why you and KJ can't grok this. People must be exposed to illogic and then have it logically discounted. Teaching by example is very efficient. Years of false, paranoid, accusations of criminality are just plain sick. I will continue to operate in this manner and believe that this is why this forum remains alive while others fail.

And I see zero evidence that you or KJ have posted a damn thing about avoiding "getting kicked out frequently". KJ made an astounding number of posts not only describing how he bet, how he played, but exactly where he played, not only the casinos but which pits, and exactly when he played. Seriously odd behavior for an AP. Think about that.

And if you ever use the term " co-conspirator" here again, you will be gone. Take it to Fox or MSNBC depending on your predilection for conspiracies.

[mcallister3200]

Years of false, paranoid, accusations of criminality are just plain sick.

While true, the irony here is rich.

[Norm]

Well, D@ug Gr@nt did that for many years. I have a file of the letters from his various lawyers threatening me. I'm not the only one I'm sure. I don't have a lawyer as I don't need one.

BTW, every one of KJ's 3,278 posts at WoV says at the bottom: "Just say no to 6:5 Blackjack, Continuous shuffle machines and Blackjack the Forum. All are Negative expected value." So, what are you doing here if 3,278 posts from KJ at one site alone say this forum is like 6:5 BJ and CSM's? And, doesn't he know that CSM's have made huge amounts of money for true APs?

[Sharky]

Unfortunately this forum has become more and more pathetic by the moment...

Norn, you are too good and honorable to even respond to these kats....just ignore and let there pointless drivel continue

You, of course, are too well respected in the BJ community to even have to respond to such nonsense....as hard as it may be, please take the high road and ignore these clowns

[Sharky]

And BIG thank you for everything you've done and do for APs

[redietz]

I just signed up to make one set of comments. I know nothing about blackjack. Zero. I'm a professional sports handicapper who has been in business for 40 years. I'm a former Wise Guys Contest champion and 2019 contender. I have no idea, as I have said on other forums, if kewlJ is a professional blackjack player or Heidi Fleiss's assistant at the brothel.

But a couple of things said in this thread bothered me so much, I felt it necessary to respond. R.E.Dietz is my real name, by the way, so this is not an anonymous opinion.

First is the idea that a "good forum" should work by allowing voodoo concepts, math, ideas, and then sort it out by debate. That is so egregiously wrong a perspective, I do not know where to start. Deep breath. Okay, first off, you need to set some kind of time frame for this, because the damage you can possibly do is enormous if this drags on for any length of time. I mean, really, you gonna debate math for a month, a year, a decade? Somebody has to "be the adult" or "be the credentialed dude." Otherwise, the less experienced forum posters have no blessed idea which way is up when people start spewing gobbledygook and others disagree with them.

The second problem I have with what's been said is the idea that Shack and some other people running forums have been some great resource for gamblers everywhere. I mean, c'mon, Shack has offshore casinos advertising on his sites. What does that tell you? The assumption that a little bit of shared expertise on forums has the net result of lessening casino income is speculative at best and most probably completely wrong. Do these forums benefit APs? I have no idea. I suspect not.

I can tell you that from a sports betting perspective, the only benefit from perusing forums is newbies learning the mechanics of wagering. The actual sports wagering advice is a negative. People have no idea what they are getting into. Some, for one banal example, jump on short-term bandwagons (as in the early 2019 NFL road team ATS performance), give some advice, then everybody gets clobbered with the worst of the value. Happens over and over. We used to call these folks trendsvestites.

You guys who think you're professional gamblers, think about what you are saying occasionally. Be a little more precise.

That's it. Go back to your regularly scheduled banter. Thanks for your attention. Over and out.

[Norm]

No idea who you are and Google doesn't seem to know who you are either. But, I will try to educate you. We move actual voodoo to the voodoo forum. I do not share your opinion that the only purpose of a forum is to educate newbies. (Maybe that's true of a sports tout site and sounds exactly like something KJ would say, a person who has used many sock accounts here.) Perhaps you think that AP is stagnant -- that there are no new ideas. (Also sounds like KJ) This couldn't be further from the truth. AP is alive and well and requires new ideas as casinos change their rules and procedures.

Shack has a very, very long history of providing massive amounts of free information -- which is highly accurate. Pity that you would make such comments about a person about whom you admit know nothing in a subject area about which you admit you know nothing. (A person that KJ hates.) Indeed, your post sounds like voodoo, or another sock making accusations. As for Shack running ads for offshore casino sites, everyone does. BJ21 does. Is BJ21 voodoo? In fact, the owner of BJ21 is also the owner of Shack's site and the owner of the site where KJ is now posting responses. Didn't you know that? Does that make them all voodoo?

Now that I think of it -- I may be the only gambling site that refuses to run casino ads. And I get offers every week. I was also asked if I'd sell to the same owner. But, this site is still here and still ad free. BUT, you will NOT see ME calling those sites voodoo because they run ads. I don't do that. That's their decision.

[BoSox]

Indeed, your post sounds like voodoo, or another sock making accusations.

Dietz is nobody's sock and just spoke what was on his mind okay. Tough if it did not suit your expectations.