A decent 500$ an hour tax attorney can do wonders.Originally Posted by Tthree
"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"
Jabberwocky has earned a four-day rip. Let us not make light of him while he's gone.
Anyone that thinks my warnings were not crystal clear is welcome to make suggestions.We now return you to the regularly scheduled program.
Last edited by Norm; 03-12-2013 at 06:03 PM.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
I could care less how people play their hand. This is a mater of BJ etiquette. You ask before you join a table in progress. If you aren't going to wait when asked to then don't ask. The only thing worse than not asking is asking like you care about the others you are going to share the table with and then playing anyway which is saying I am the ass that enters the table when others would like them to wait but I like to act like I give a damn about other people who I share space with even though I don't. He did the most offensive thing he could do. He extended the hand of friendship and then slapped mine away when I extended it. I have people jump in a lot and ignore my request to wait. It doesn't bother me too much. You ask me if I mind if you jump in and I say I do and you jump in anyway. That bothers me tremendously especially if you would only have to wait 1 hand as was the case in this instance. The ultimate insult.
So next time explain how its a monster count and its only going to last one more hand.
i've never seen a player who really knew what he was doing get upset about anything at a table.
Let me die in my sleep like my Grandfather.
Not screaming in agony like his passengers.
Tthree, this thought process is shocking from a player of your intelligence and experience. It sounds like pure ploppyisms. I, myself will use that 'flow of the cards' type line to keep a player away, but it sounds like you actually believe it with comments like " Of course two wins turn into two max bet loses" and "The little pr*ck cost me over $1000 in two rounds". I am concerned for you. You do know this is pure nonsense don't you?
Furthermore, as much as we would like it not to be so, unless that table has a NMSE entry policy, the player absolutely has a right to jump in. Thoughts like "I was seriously thinking of kicking his ass", are going to get YOU into trouble. This scenario happens to me a couple of times every week.
I notice what happens every time. Earlier in the same session a guy jumped in and helped me. I thought wow that is the first time that has happened in 3 months. It was simply the fact that he asked before the last round of the shoe and I asked him to wait one hand. Even though he asked he came in anyway after I asked him not to.
I never said he didn't have the right to play. There are lots of things I have the right to do that I don't in deference to others. It is called courtesy. Since the guys that like to bust peoples balls and troll people are the only ones asking I will stop feeding them. Everyone here knows what I am talking about and I bet most would agree it is an afront to ask and ignore the answer if it is not the one you care about.
Oh I had another the same trip that I asked not to join in. She said she only had ten minutes before she had to leave and ignored me. that didn't bother me much. Of course you know what happened. Well about two hours later another fellow joins the table. I don't ask him to wait as I had given up after her refusal but the woman that only had 10 minutes before she had to leave town two hours before asks him to wait. I couldn't believe her nerve.
KJ, I will answer you because you are not a troll. The point is courtesy. It has nothing to do with the flow of the cards. It happens to me all the time too. Only the extremely ignorant people bother me. The others are just tweaking my pet peeve. If I ask and you respond to my first request so be it if you say you won't wait. I asked for a courtesy and you promptly told me you didn't want to extend it to me. That is straight forward and fine. You act like you don't hear me and make me ask repeatedly that is rude. You ask the players if they mind if you jump in and they say they do and you do it anyway that is the biggest insult. In today's world common courtesy is important. If people ask me to wait I always do. What kind of person does to others what they know is painful to them. I know you will probably say most people these days and you may be right but I can't do that without feeling the sting I know I inflicting myself.
I've met a few people who think this way, and usually over time they move farther and farther to the fringes of society.
I was going to say something about this in a hopefully non-political way, but it probably wouldn't be viewed that way. I practically have to throw myself away from the keyboard to not type what I would like to say. But I won't say it. This is Norm's site, and he doesn't want it to be political. Which is probably a very good rule for the site. I was going to say something about clean air, clean water, safe pharmaceutical drugs, paved roads, sewage waste treatment, tornado warnings, national parks, building codes, firemen, and the men and women who serve in our national defense, but I WON'T SAY IT. I'm saying nothing about it!
I don't think you would like playing in my area much Tthree.Wonging in, is actually not a big part of my attack. I prefer to play off the top and aggressively exit, but occasionally I do wong in to favorable situations and let me tell you, when I wong in, I wong in. I don't ask anyone. Mainly because I don't want to hear their answer...
If I have scouted out that situation, that opportunity is mine. I could care less what some ploppie thinks or says. The exception would be if I have scouted that opportunity long enough to beleive the player is an AP, I will pass (more on this in a minute). But barring that I enter. And if the player or player asks me to wait. I politely decline. I will also say something about being short on time, which fits in with my style of attack, because I won't be there long. If The player comes back with any kind of comment, I politely tell him, I didn't come to watch him play. This may seem rude, but that's the way it is. I am there to make money and this is an opportunity that I have scouted. I am not there to make friends.
Now, again, If I have determined that the player is an AP and not just a ploppie, I will pass on the opportunity. This is in part a professional courtesy, which I realize other AP's don't always return, and part because it is beneficial to me do to so. If he is an AP, I don't know how long he's been there and what kind of surveillance he is currently under. I could be jumping into a hot bed. A closely watched table. Or I could be perceived to be his partner that he is calling into a hot shoe. Several scenarios that aren't good for me, so I will bite the bullet and pass on that opportunity.
Sometimes I even wonder if people read my posts. I said that a direct decline is fine. Everyone has a right to play. By looking me in the eye and responding to my first request you show me respect but not courtesy. Acting like you can't here me is disrespectful and cowardly. I don't think I need to go through the rest. I play a very similar style to you but can play longer under the radar. Perhaps because you play more frequently. I know when I have worn out my welcome and when it is a good time to leave. Haven't been backoff in my area yet. Been playing for decades.
Yeah, I read your post. And with all due respect <--, feeling disrepected and getting irritated by people at a blackjack table in a casino seems kind of strange to me. If things, almost anything other players say and do bother you, I think you are in the wrong racket. Be sure and keep your blood pressure pills handy.
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