Optimal vs Simple Betting Ramp

[RatherNotGiveMyRealName]

I’ve been spending some time using CVCX to create a betting ramp between true counts of 0 and 3. The generated bet ramp was complex, with bets like 30 (a red and green), and 65 (two greens and three reds). I have placed bets like this, and it seems tedious and time-consuming for the dealer to pay it off, especially when I’m playing two hands (which is always).

I’m curious as to whether this simplified bet ramp would seem more natural or more artificial and if this would be better heat-wise than a spread with bets that have mixed colors. Particularly when it comes to longer sessions (multiple hours).

True 0 and Lower: One Red Chip

True 1: One Green Chip

True 2: Two Green Chips

True 3 and Higher: Three Green Chips



Thanks

[RUMIYODIN]

You're using a simpler betting system for reasons you cite in your post. First, it's not as tedious to count out chips to make the appropriate bets. In addition, it's easier and less frustrating for the dealer to calculate payment. More importantly, it does not arouse as much suspicion. Ask yourself if you were a pit critter who you'd be more interested in? The man making 25 to 50 dollar bets, or the guy counting out 28 dollars and 57 dollars?

The tradeoff to a simpler betting system is you are likely going to overbet, which reduces SCORE and increases variance and RoR. However your hourly rate will be higher.

[ZeeBabar]

I’ve been spending some time using CVCX to create a betting ramp between true counts of 0 and 3. The generated bet ramp was complex, with bets like 30 (a red and green), and 65 (two greens and three reds). I have placed bets like this, and it seems tedious and time-consuming for the dealer to pay it off, especially when I’m playing two hands (which is always).

I’m curious as to whether this simplified bet ramp would seem more natural or more artificial and if this would be better heat-wise than a spread with bets that have mixed colors. Particularly when it comes to longer sessions (multiple hours).

True 0 and Lower: One Red Chip

True 1: One Green Chip

True 2: Two Green Chips

True 3 and Higher: Three Green Chips



Thanks

Exact bets are also a giveaway. Putting $45-$55, $70 to $80 etc, does two things, it puts a red chip on the top, so the pit critter glancing at the table does not see Green and the varying amounts make you look less robotic and more indecisive, less professional.

you can understand the concept and play accordingly.

[21forme]

Exact bets are also a giveaway. Putting $45-$55, $70 to $80 etc, does two things, it puts a red chip on the top, so the pit critter glancing at the table does not see Green and the varying amounts make you look less robotic and more indecisive, less professional.

you can understand the concept and play accordingly.

Best to bet one color only. Doing otherwise slows the game down.

[Zach Black]

Best to bet only one color and an even number of chips.

I recently had a blackjack on a $95 bet (all red). The payout took over a minute as the dealer was slow and asked the pit to confirm. In that time two players joined the game with a high count that I had played previously heads up.

[BoSox]

Best to bet only one color and an even number of chips.

That may be good for players with sufficient bankrolls but not for the original poster who started the thread. If he started betting with two red chips his spread would be cut in half, as his max bet remains the same either way.

[BoSox]

The generated bet ramp was complex, with bets like 30 (a red and green), and 65 (two greens and three reds).

Do not make a $65 bet where if you surrender or get a blackjack the dealer has to use a $2.50 pink chip to complete their work, and then you will have been paid off in three colors. Make an $80 bet instead of $75, and $60, or $70 rather than $65. Those times when you do have a pink chip don't make $7.50,$12.50, $17.50, or $22.50 bets as then you may also end up with some white chips, although, you may get a higher payout based on house policy.

[RatherNotGiveMyRealName]

My win rate and risk both increase with the simplified betting strategy but I do like the idea that it may look more natural to just toss a red or a green out there in counts of 0 or 1, then I can parlay/chip up to two or three greens on counts of two or three. That just seems more natural looking for me to do on a regular basis for longevity on these long sessions.

I could also bet like this:

True 0: One Red
True 1: Three Reds
True 2: One Green
True 3: Two Greens
True 4: Three Greens


This does decrease my win rate (and RoR) and looks a little less natural between counts of 0 and 1.

[BoSox]

My win rate and risk both increase with the simplified betting strategy but I do like the idea that it may look more natural to just toss a red or a green out there in counts of 0 or 1, then I can parlay/chip up to two or three greens on counts of two or three. That just seems more natural looking for me to do on a regular basis for longevity on these long sessions.

I could also bet like this:

True 0: One Red
True 1: Three Reds
True 2: One Green
True 3: Two Greens
True 4: Three Greens


This does decrease my win rate (and RoR) and looks a little less natural between counts of 0 and 1.

In the first sentence above you mention possibly putting out a green chip bet at a TC of 0 that would be a big mistake by betting a five-unit bet into a negative EV situation, while playing "for the most part" all hands and considering you are only using two $75 bets as your max bets. Further down you are considering going from a $15 bet at a TC of +1 to a quarter bet at a TC of +2 a $10 increase, pathetic. I think you need to re-examine all of this based on the real changes in EV win-loss percentages per true counts.

[ZeeBabar]

In the first sentence above you mention possibly putting out a green chip bet at a TC of 0 that would be a big mistake by betting a five-unit bet into a negative EV situation, while playing "for the most part" all hands and considering you are only using two $75 bets as your max bets. Further down you are considering going from a $15 bet at a TC of +1 to a quarter bet at a TC of +2 a $10 increase, pathetic. I think you need to re-examine all of this based on the real changes in EV win-loss percentages per true counts.

Excellent!

[Meistro123]

substitute four red for one green to speed up surrenders and blackjacks

[RatherNotGiveMyRealName]

substitute four red for one green to speed up surrenders and blackjacks

That’s a good point, I’ll keep that in mind.

[RatherNotGiveMyRealName]

I just ran some sims and I'm wondering if you guys have an opinion on this betting strategy (I play-all two hands and wong out at a -2):

True 0: $5 or $10 depending on table min
True 1: $15
True 2: $30
True 3: $60
True 4: $80

It seems much more natural to be able to parlay between $15, $30 and $60, and this spread gives me an agreeable win rate per hour and RoR. Thoughts?