AP Protocol with another AP at table

[Freightman]

Over the years, I’ve had the following negative experiences at the table. Note that I usually play all

1. Player leaves mid shoe in negative count, returning after a whiz to note several max bets at end if shoe - karma - red chip days
2. Dickwad, substandard AP, exposes me as table as a counter. I let all my friends know - red chip days
3. Local AP at an out of town location joins table, leaves a shoe or 2 later in middle of horrendously negative shoe.

Other instances, likely forgotten - most recent on recent trip.

2 out of town AP’s, known to each other, both members of this board (obviously, I’m one of them).

I sit down, and am joined by the other. Not that I care, your first double 11v10 was slightly under index, so you should not have doubled, and the 10 v 7 or 8 (forget which) was a clear cut double. I don’t care about that shit.

What I do care about, even though the shoe was only marginally negative, is that you do not leave at that point in time.

Let me give a couple examples of proper etiquette.
A former participant of this board who played heavy duty stakes was sharing a table with me. Shoe was slightly negative. Individual did have to go, but waited until shoe was neutral.

Some years back, I shared a table with another AP, who occasionally posts here. I did tell this person, that I was expecting a call from my son, who was in England. I told this person, that when the call came, regardless of positive or negative shoe, I would take the call - proper notice.

This is not the same forum participant that I referred to a few weeks ago on whatever thread.

I wont identify you, but if you should join me again - either play the whole shoe, or please don’t sit down. Also, I’m familiar with your deal with that smart, but inexperienced individual we had burgers with. From what I’m led to understand, it was not equitable. If the individual does not mind me posting about it, he can text me his approval, and I will do so.

There will be those that pipe up about APs at same table, but there’s always exceptions.

[tomf23]

I've run into counters a few times
Once me and the other guy were playing 2 hands
I thought he was counting already
Count is sky high
I have two 20s take insurance
He insures 2 stiffs
I left after the cut card came out as he was there first

Last trip some kid whose max bet was lower than my min bet sits at my table
He had the audacity to spread to 3 hands when the count got good
Then on the next shoe he sits out when it goes negative!

I was leaving the casino anyway
Cash out

I see him in the parking lot and tell him that not only does his etiquite suck but if he doesn't care about that he's an idiot.
At his level he can fly under the radar pretty easily. But he can get caught bc survailiance is watching me since I'm betting way bigger.He still didn't get it.

[GMass]

I see him in the parking lot and tell him that not only does his etiquite suck but if he doesn't care about that he's an idiot.

Oh please, go on about this (and other) etiquite (aka: etiquette)

[Yule]

One newbie AP that I played with, ran out of money after losing two of his max bets. He sat out for the rest of the shoe. At the end he says out loud to his buddy, "The count was good the whole time!". Another newbie AP kept losing track of the count, and couldn't remember basic strategy. I felt kind of bad for him, and I didn't really care when he sat out mid shoe in a badly negative count.

[Optimus Prime]

Similar discussion on the discord lately. Personally I support The Right to Wong. Is there a card counter Constitution somewhere where this right could be enshrined?

[Optimus Prime]

Or perhaps an organization promoting Wongers’ Rights?

[Freightman]

One newbie AP that I played with, ran out of money after losing two of his max bets. He sat out for the rest of the shoe. At the end he says out loud to his buddy, "The count was good the whole time!". Another newbie AP kept losing track of the count, and couldn't remember basic strategy. I felt kind of bad for him, and I didn't really care when he sat out mid shoe in a badly negative count.

Counter no no’s
Only an idiot would say that out loud.
Only an idiot would bust out after 2 max bets.
Only an idiot would forget basic.

They weren’t AP’s

[Freightman]

Similar discussion on the discord lately. Personally I support The Right to Wong. Is there a card counter Constitution somewhere where this right could be enshrined?

There is something called professional courtesy

[Banker]

The difficulty with the issue is that the person coming to the table most likely does not know if there is another AP or not. Winging out is a good idea. It often irritates even civilians but the "counter" argument is you could wong out too! No one is forcing anyone to play.

[Freightman]

The difficulty with the issue is that the person coming to the table most likely does not know if there is another AP or not. Winging out is a good idea. It often irritates even civilians but the "counter" argument is you could wong out too! No one is forcing anyone to play.

True enough, however, in this case, the parties were known to each other.

[RCJH]

True enough, however, in this case, the parties were known to each other.

Then why didn't you alternate?

I'd have wonged the next shoe and let him eat it.

I agree, that's rude. I however, try not to play with another counter at the table. And the kid on the shoestring bankroll who spread to three hands will always be on a shoestring bankroll if he doesn't learn some street smarts. You can whale draft, to an extent. But you can't spread to three hands AND whale draft.

[stopgambling]

FREIGHTMAN , FROM what i know he was doing you courtesy( helping to eat cards) rather than ruining your shoe by playing 3 decks of very negative shoes . He didn't leave until nearing the end of a marginally
(not a substantial negative shoe) BTW cut was bad. likely 4.2/6. IMO I see no harm done at all . P.s checking again it was a lucky 4.5/6 pen which is not the usual 4/6 or worse ..

[stopgambling]

Also the intention of the other players starting a shoe with you was another way to greet you . Freightman you on the other hand took it as an intent to play. That individual can freely move around to any location to play bj or other games that you had no interest in. Therefore that player had little interest in your private bj game. The important thing is if you were offended He would apologize to you.