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Thread: Varying player edges at each TC

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    It's a different count. Look, the old statement that each TC is .5% edge is just a rough estimate. It varies substantially according to the count and all settings. Calculation of overall edge must include the frequencies at each count, and they also vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    -The newer versions of Zen use a different TC divisor.
    -Zero TC does not mean zero RC.
    -These numbers are taken at the start of the round, when you bet. The count changes before you play.
    Norm, can you please confirm if I'm playing the strongest version of zen using these indices http://blackjackforumonline.com/cont...nt_Indices.htm
    with full deck rounding method for TC?

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    Yes, those are the original set published a million years ago, and republished there after I kept telling people not to use the newer ones. They can be slightly improved upon, but are the best I've seen in print.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Yes, those are the original set published a million years ago, and republished there after I kept telling people not to use the newer ones. They can be slightly improved upon, but are the best I've seen in print.
    Thank you! I came across zen actually after researching AOII. Then I bought blackbelt in blackjack and when Snyder talked about zen, he was talking about quarter deck true edge stuff and it left me confused. I guess I lucked out by learning about zen on forums rather than buying the Snyder book first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleChoo View Post
    Then I bought blackbelt in blackjack .
    Read that book, read it again and then again a few more times. They’re hidden gems in that book that are really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Read that book, read it again and then again a few more times. They’re hidden gems in that book that are really good.
    I think I will read it again. I'm much more knowledgeable than when I first read it. I finally got started on BJ Attack. I'm reading it slowly, and find myself rereading stuff several times to try and get a deep understanding of the concepts Don is talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleChoo View Post
    Norm, can you please confirm if I'm playing the strongest version of zen using these indices http://blackjackforumonline.com/cont...nt_Indices.htm
    with full deck rounding method for TC?
    And again, off topic we go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleChoo View Post
    I think I will read it again. I'm much more knowledgeable than when I first read it. I finally got started on BJ Attack. I'm reading it slowly, and find myself rereading stuff several times to try and get a deep understanding of the concepts Don is talking about.
    My comment is that BJA3 is really too advanced for a newer player. I would read the base books first and Learn those solid fundamentals.

    Then, when Don chimes in and says refer to page so and so, have a good peek at those points. As you develop, pick out those topics of interest in BJA3, and have at it. Eventually, spend some good time reading and rereading chapters. There’s no way you can understand any chapter with a once read over. It’s a masterpiece.

    Attention Don, just a reminder, my only free time on my New York trip is Monday Sept 2. I’ll be in Forest Hills. I know your anxious for nuances to the FBM ASC for inclusion in BJA4. I’ll have a car available, and would be delighted to pick up coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueman View Post
    And again, off topic we go.
    It’s the nature of threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    It’s the nature of threads.
    Taking things way off topic would be annoying, but I wasn't exactly asking for a spaghetti sauce recipe or something along those lines. The comment before my question was referencing the different versions of zen. It was a good opportunity to ask a meaningful question I had. I don't see the reason to start a new thread for every question, if the conversation in an existing thread is steering towards a question that would apply.
    Last edited by UncleChoo; 08-24-2019 at 11:07 AM.

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