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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronbog View Post
    I have had some correspondance in the recent past with st0rm0r on this subject. All he is implying is that once you fully understand how the (unaltered) machines work, you can devise ways to beat them. There is no implication of player-hostile programming being implied here.
    Of course! I can't believe this needs to be spelled out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    No one is going to post info on beating such machines on a public forum.
    Ok, the discussion is about CSM but it does not matter if it was all about ASM there are some AP's out there able to exploit both kinds. Done through tracking of patterns to which evidentially Norm you are well aware of and are protecting the play itself a noble thing to do. But, you also slam anyone with a thought that something may be wrong with those voodoo points of views of yours, along with warnings to stop talking nonsense on the General Board. Thanks for the clarification.

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    BoSox, I have no idea what you are talking about. There is no "cheat mode" in the One2Six. That does not mean that it can't be beaten. My problem is with those that repeatedly claim that the casinos are using a cheat mode in ASMs without any evidence other than empirical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by refinery View Post
    That's pretty close to doxxing me, be careful.

    That post in question has been deleted. Just for the record though it was you yourself that previously posted that information at an earlier date.
    Last edited by BoSox; 09-20-2019 at 02:20 PM.

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    Norm wrote:

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    There is no "cheat mode" in the One2Six. That does not mean that it can't be beaten."

    Exactly, because of some people figuring out an exploitable error.

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    My problem is with those that repeatedly claim that the casinos are using a cheat mode in ASMs without any evidence other than empirical.

    It would be almost impossible for any one individual to satisfactorily provide clear and cut evidence that would hold up to questioning. Norm, you know this. Although, more, and more people come forward with their own stories which mean nothing to you.

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    You are dead wrong. Firstly, I said nothing about an exploitable "error." Further, it absolutely is possible to present clear cut evidence of actual AP methods. And, there are millions of people that make all sorts of claims about voodoo systems that we ignore. The rule is simple. Don't make libelous accusations against people here without evidence. And, I don't mean empirical evidence. Empirical evidence means evidence gleaned from experience only. Say that you go to George Burns' doctor. George Burns lived a century and smoked cigars constantly. Should his Doctor advise you to smoke for long life? Empirical evidence would say yes.

    Look, if someone has actual evidence of cheating, bring it here. But, "I been cheated" is a line used by millions of losers. And that crap doesn't belong on an AP site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Norm wrote:

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    There is no "cheat mode" in the One2Six. That does not mean that it can't be beaten."

    Exactly, because of some people figuring out an exploitable error.
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    Some hand shuffles are exploitable, but that's not because there is some kind of error in the shuffling procedure. It's because the procedure results in a shuffle that has exploitable properties. Similarly, you can study the mechanism and procedure used by the CSM while it handles the cards and discover the exploitable properties of the resulting stream of cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Further, it absolutely is possible to present clear cut evidence of actual AP methods. And, there are millions of people that make all sorts of claims about voodoo systems that we ignore.
    That all sounds so righteous and all, however, pertaining to this site, as a Matter of Fact, you yourself allowed a poster to make outrageous claims of making 4 to 5% regular average EV earnings while using a "still to this day" unproven personal system. That tale went on for years without a peep out of your mouth, is that factual enough for you Norm?

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    Do not repeat KJ's damnable lies on this site. I repeatedly stated that his numbers were wrong, as did many others. And his method of play was not voodoo and did provide an advantage. He just didn't understand how to calculate EV (and was boring). I don't know what you are trying to prove; but everything you have said in this thread is way off base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Do not repeat KJ's damnable lies on this site. I repeatedly stated that his numbers were wrong, as did many others. And his method of play was not voodoo. He just didn't understand how to calculate EV.
    The problem was that KJ was not lying he told the truth. Never "alright there may have been one time" was that other poster claims transferred to the Disadvantage Forum. Those of us sitting in the cheap seats saw for themselves a real lot of leeway on your part that does not even come close to what the house rules are supposed to be.
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