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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Further, it absolutely is possible to present clear cut evidence of actual AP methods. And, there are millions of people that make all sorts of claims about voodoo systems that we ignore.
    That all sounds so righteous and all, however, pertaining to this site, as a Matter of Fact, you yourself allowed a poster to make outrageous claims of making 4 to 5% regular average EV earnings while using a "still to this day" unproven personal system. That tale went on for years without a peep out of your mouth, is that factual enough for you Norm?

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    Do not repeat KJ's damnable lies on this site. I repeatedly stated that his numbers were wrong, as did many others. And his method of play was not voodoo and did provide an advantage. He just didn't understand how to calculate EV (and was boring). I don't know what you are trying to prove; but everything you have said in this thread is way off base.
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    Do not repeat KJ's damnable lies on this site. I repeatedly stated that his numbers were wrong, as did many others. And his method of play was not voodoo. He just didn't understand how to calculate EV.
    The problem was that KJ was not lying he told the truth. Never "alright there may have been one time" was that other poster claims transferred to the Disadvantage Forum. Those of us sitting in the cheap seats saw for themselves a real lot of leeway on your part that does not even come close to what the house rules are supposed to be.
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    T broke no rules. I wish he had as I tired of his posts and privately begged him to reduce his posting. But, being wrong about something is not against the rules. I gave KJ more leeway than any other poster on this site. Unfortunately, he broke the rules, egregiously, more than any other person in the site's history and had to be banned. Scores of false accusations of fraud against multiple people amounting to criminal accusations (and hundreds since at nine locations)-- none with an iota of truth.

    BoSox, you are wrong, and you are destroying this thread. The thread is about the One2Six. You apparently do not understand how this device works and the circumstances under which devices of this nature can be beaten, which has driven you further and further off track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    The thread is about the One2Six. You apparently do not understand how this device works and the circumstances under which devices of this nature can be beaten, which has driven you further and further off track.
    That is correct as I never played against a CSM. Pertaining to ASM I have played plenty more than enough time to recognize when something is not right. When you have played as many years as I have you just know that you are seeing repeating sequences of clumping cards in unprecedented patterns that you never have seen before. Now, this is not the same occurrences every time and I still get my EV against them. I just avoid playing them if I start seeing bizarre clumping and look for hand shuffles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    That is correct as I never played against a CSM. Pertaining to ASM I have played plenty more than enough time to recognize when something is not right. When you have played as many years as I have you just know that you are seeing repeating sequences of clumping cards in unprecedented patterns that you never have seen before. Now, this is not the same occurrences every time and I still get my EV against them. I just avoid playing them if I start seeing bizarre clumping and look for hand shuffles.
    Ah, and there it is. BoSox is an ASM truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refinery View Post
    Ah, and there it is. BoSox is an ASM truther.
    Old news just check out the disadvantage forum. I could care less what you think. I know what I have seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Old news just check out the disadvantage forum. I could care less what you think. I know what I have seen.
    Please come with me to the casino and help me identify the beginning of a winning streak. That would be a huge help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by refinery View Post
    Please come with me to the casino and help me identify the beginning of a winning streak. That would be a huge help!
    That is something I cannot do. Why are you such an asshole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    That is something I cannot do. Why are you such an asshole?
    Seriously. You spent all day ragging on someone that hasn't posted in six months for making claims without proof. While at the same time you are making claims without proof. He's just kidding. I suggest you take the rest of the day off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    You spent all day ragging on someone that hasn't posted in six months for making claims without proof.
    No, that is not quite right, at least not my intent as I already settled my differences with that person and put it to rest. My posting in this thread was specifically about YOU and not him and your subjective rules, or I should say a lack of a rule that allowed this individual to carry on, and on, his bullshit stories. It was you Norm that gave him the stage that seemed like forever. 21forme said it much better than me:

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    There's no rule against posting unsubstantiated bullshit over and over again? if not, there should be.

    Norm, perhaps you forgot, but Don, too, debunked his garbage (super-duper EV with zero variance) multiple times, but he just kept going. You could have and should have shut him down. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wave View Post
    If you can't quantify it, then you simply are speculating.
    Every single individual could never play enough hands or shoes to quantify a long run study. I think the people who are making posts about this including myself previously already know the skepticism they will hear. They are just telling about their own experiences and for the readers to judge for themselves, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wave View Post
    I understand this, but the problem with drawing conclusions based only on your experience, or a few people's experiences, is that they are not representative of the whole.
    That is correct and why I and a few others said judge for yourselves. My last point on this subject is that, to alter the true odds of a game would require extremely LITTLE pre arrangement or preseting of cards "speculation, unproven" to change those true odds dramatically, and would be really hard to recognize.
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