Simple penetration question

[BoSox]

So, let's clear up a few things here. And several of you may be surprised by the (correct) answer.

Zee wrote: "Does penetration affect the non card counting basic strategy player?"

Don, if you can fully understand what ZeeBabar is trying to convey with his questions you really do belong in the hall of fame. In reality, I do not even think that Zee knew what the hell he meant.

[ZeeBabar]

Don, if you can fully understand what ZeeBabar is trying to convey with his questions you really do belong in the hall of fame. In reality, I do not even think that Zee knew what the hell he meant.

Don S understood my question perfectly. Does penetration make a difference to the BS playing non-counter? I asked because a basic strategy non counter had gotten upset over the cut card placement.

[SkinnyBJplayer]

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A scintilla's worth of difference is not significant to any of us.
Not worthy of discussion. The "Cut Card Effect" is meaningful in
a pitch game, although I have not seen a casino deal any BJ
without a cut card in decades. Without a cut card the casinos in
Reno used to use "Preferential Shuffling". They may still do that
for all I know, as I have not been there in six years.

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[RenegadeNation]

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A scintilla's worth of difference is not significant to any of us.
Not worthy of discussion. The "Cut Card Effect" is meaningful in
a pitch game, although I have not seen a casino deal any BJ
without a cut card in decades. Without a cut card the casinos in
Reno used to use "Preferential Shuffling". They may still do that
for all I know, as I have not been there in six years.

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Except for the fact that Don himself felt compelled to answer the question. I'm new around here so I'm not going to say much...I have no idea of the history of what the hell is going on between some posters and really don't care. But some people really need to grow up...

[Dog Hand]

<snip>although I have not seen a casino deal any BJ without a cut card in decades.<snip>

SkinnyBJplayer,

The single-deck game I played this week was dealt without a cut card.

Dog Hand

[Counting_Is_Fun]

Don, thanks much for the response and info. As for the new and old posters that can't seem to stop criticizing everthing Zee says...well god this is really getting old. Maybe Norm can reign some of this in.

[DSchles]

"Maybe Norm can reign some of this in."

And if he can't, maybe he can REIN it in!

Don

[ericfarmer]

To add to Don's great description of the thought experiment of "sliding" the cut card ever deeper into the shoe: the cut card effect, however small, exists because we restrict play to a fixed number of cards dealt from the shoe. If we hypothetically instead always stop and re-shuffle after a fixed number of rounds, then the cut card effect disappears entirely, and the answer to the OP's question is "no, the expected return for the fixed-strategy player-- whether basic strategy or any other strategy, as long as it doesn't change from one round to the next-- is exactly the same for every round played."

[Joe Mama]

"Maybe Norm can reign some of this in."

And if he can't, maybe he can REIN it in!

Isn't Norm the KING of this site?

[Counting_Is_Fun]

"Maybe Norm can reign some of this in."

And if he can't, maybe he can REIN it in!


Don

Come on Don, it was almost 02:00 and I was drunk...at least I didn’t say rain

[mopakarim3400]

The worse the pen the better it is for the non-card counting basic strategy player. The reason being more frequent shuffles and fewer hands played per hour. Full tables are also better for the non-counter.



I agree with this even though there are more hands per hour played. At least playing against CSM the basic strategist will always be playing to a relatively neutral deck and won't get hurt as much by not pushing his bet into a heavy negative count they often see that they are unaware of at the time on a standard brazzers pornhub xhamstershuffled table.

hey cookies - looked it up to no effect. I agree with Freightman - cut card placement does not affect bs decisions

[DSchles]

hey cookies - looked it up to no effect. I agree with Freightman - cut card placement does not affect bs decisions.

You didn't READ. The discussion isn't whether or not it affects BS decisions; rather, the discussion is whether it affects BS edge, and I thought I already explained that.

Don

[PinkChip]

Don gave a very good explanation of the transition of house edge for nearly zero pen to a slighter house edge for 5/6 pen. Mathematically spoken it is similar to the intermediate value theorem of continuous functions in calculus. Now the cards are a discrete not continuous function but this is neglectible for as many as 312 cards.