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    Not losing but not winning

    I have been playing both at my local store and with Casino Verite. Mostly playing the simulation. I play a few shoes a day just to practice and check myself out on BS and counting. Both the game I play and my sim is S17 DAS RSA. I don't think my Casino actually allows RSA but that is as close as I can get with the canned sims. the pen is 1.5. I'm just playing the recommended spread which is 2x15 at TC1 to 2x50 at TC 12 and up. playing at counts of 0 and up only. I use Red Seven shoe with the indices. I'll see if I can attach the cvcx.

    As the title says after maybe 50 hours of play, I'm just breaking even. I know at this limited bankroll, I'm not projected to win much more than a $1000 in those 50 hours. I just want to send this to the group to make sure there is not some sort of error in my play.

    What's funny is that I play with another guy who counts and he regularly wins down there but with a much more conservative spread. He's up a couple of thousand.

    The last time we played down there, the casino changed the pen from 1.5 to 2.5. Did we get a light back off?
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    Here’s the cvcx I’m betting with.


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    You’re not going to get close to 100 Hph, back counting.

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    z
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    Small sample sizes make for insignificant results.
    Embrace "The Law of Large Numbers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    You’re not going to get close to 100 Hph, back counting.
    Thank you Freightman. What’s a more realistic number?


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    50 hours of play at breakeven lies inside one standard deviation. True negative kick asz variance has not found you yet - consider yourself lucky. It will spot you sooner or later and let you know what for. NO is 124 hours which is good provided your roll is adequate at a 2.5% ror to get there.

    2.5 pen when you show up does sound like a message- knock of the cc you putz or it goes to 4.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    You’re not going to get close to 100 Hph, back counting.
    He isn't. When you choose back-counting in CVCX, the 100 rounds/hr. automatically means "hands observed" and not hands played. To see that, note that the average bet is $50 and the average edge is 2%. If he played 100 hands an hour that way, he'd win $100 per hour. But he's winning only $21, and that's because he's playing only 21 hands and not 100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    He isn't. When you choose back-counting in CVCX, the 100 rounds/hr. automatically means "hands observed" and not hands played. To see that, note that the average bet is $50 and the average edge is 2%. If he played 100 hands an hour that way, he'd win $100 per hour. But he's winning only $21, and that's because he's playing only 21 hands and not 100.

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    Thanks for all the responses.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    as everyone likely knows, I play all.
    I didn't know that!

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    lol. Freighty.... oth score of 80 very nice! You are playing a good game though ,keep it up . $20 is still something but what are your expenses ?. Are you ok with the win rate i he mean time? It doen't seemed like the store is tolerating you.

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