I've used Zen for 6-7 years now but am considering a more powerful attack for DD games. Both of my laptops are crashed or I would sim the stats with my CvData or CVCX whichever and get the stats myself. I hope someone else will get me the hard performance numbers and or raw data. Also am interested in folks real world experience with incorporating an ASC with Zen and their results with the classic Hi Opt II W/ASC that's been the mainstay for Handheld games for so long. My question is this: since the only difference between the two is the reckoning of the 6 as a "1" value in HO and 2 in Zen and Aces as 0 in HO & -1 in Zen my mind wants to believe that Zen will be more powerful than HO if you simply incorporate the ASC. I am eager to see the stats and hear everyone's input. Especially Stealth, Three and RCJH.