Brief trip report

[step13]

Zee, please stop being results oriented. It is costing you lots of EV.

[ZeeBabar]

Zee, I've taken plenty of shots at you in the past, but this isn't one of them.

I never said AP newbie/wannabes aren't welcome. However, they should provide a semblance of learning and progression in skills over time. Just look at Don's recent response to a newbie in another recent thread. He asks a question without giving the necessary info, Don responds telling him what info he needs to provide, and he keeps justifying his lack of info, still not providing it. This is the kind of person doomed to failure in this endeavor.

This is not a forum for ploppy voodoo. Norm has pointed that out plenty of times and has moved plenty of threads, including yours, to the voodoo forum.
If you want to emulate a relatively new AP who "gets it," start paying attention to RCJH.

21forme, take a look again at my original post. 85% of it is simply a report and about 15% is my admission that I screwed up. So, basically, you are asking me not to share my mistakes. You apparently dont have any problems with the 85%, just the 15% personal stuff about my mistakes (that I am aware of). For this, I am being attacked. If newbie/wannabe's and others find it bothers them to hear of my mistakes, I will keep it in mind and avoid mentioning anything personal.

I dont think Norm wants people attacking other posters. If it bothers you, skip my threads. It does seem that no matter what I post, it ends up being a long thread.

[21forme]

It does seem that no matter what I post, it ends up being a long thread.

No matter what anyone posts, it winds up a long thread.

Zee, I liked the conditions report aspect of the OP, nice work.

Actually, posting good games is problematic, too. Casinos read these forums and there have been many documented cases of conditions changing following posting of specific info. This is what networking is for.

[ummagumma]

21forme, take a look again at my original post. 85% of it is simply a report and about 15% is my admission that I screwed up. So, basically, you are asking me not to share my mistakes. You apparently dont have any problems with the 85%, just the 15% personal stuff about my mistakes (that I am aware of). For this, I am being attacked. If newbie/wannabe's and others find it bothers them to hear of my mistakes, I will keep it in mind and avoid mentioning anything personal.

I dont think Norm wants people attacking other posters. If it bothers you, skip my threads. It does seem that no matter what I post, it ends up being a long thread.

Please point out the 'ploppy voodoo' in the OP

[ummagumma]

Zee, I've taken plenty of shots at you in the past, but this isn't one of them.

I never said AP newbie/wannabes aren't welcome. However, they should provide a semblance of learning and progression in skills over time. Just look at Don's recent response to a newbie in another recent thread. He asks a question without giving the necessary info, Don responds telling him what info he needs to provide, and he keeps justifying his lack of info, still not providing it. This is the kind of person doomed to failure in this endeavor.

This is not a forum for ploppy voodoo. Norm has pointed that out plenty of times and has moved plenty of threads, including yours, to the voodoo forum.
If you want to emulate a relatively new AP who "gets it," start paying attention to RCJH.

Should have been this post.
Point out the 'ploppy voodoo' in the OP

[Dbs6582]

Should have been this post.
Point out the 'ploppy voodoo' in the OP

Excellent point ummagumma! I could NOT spot any ploppy voodoo in Zee’s post either. All I saw is that he lost some money after a long trip and ended it early. What’s voodoo about that? Zee never said quiting early would have any long term impact on his winnings. He never talked about “stop loses”, a voodoo concept. He just said he quite early.

I sometimes think some APs, specifically 21forme and RCJH, need to take a reading comprehesion course. They continue to attack Zee for giving advice when he doesn’t do that. All he does is give a report on his trip and 21forme and RCJH go into attack mode, accussing Zee of doing something he has NOT done.

Zee is my hero for being able to take on all these goofballs.

[refinery]

Here's the ploppy voodoo:

I saw the DD table empty and decided to play instead. Big mistake.

[refinery]

I don't think you know anything about CBJN. Just being honest.

[21forme]

A wonderful trip had gone bad. I was upset, so I got back in my car abandoned the rest of the trip (which had stops in Cincinnati and back at all the casinos on the way) and drove home. After getting home I cursed myself for abandoning the planned trip after losing just $400 of the trip bank roll ($10k) I started out with. I also think I should have not played as longs as I did (4+ hours) in one session. I think that maybe the pit or dealer would remember me there but I wont be going to Indiana for at least a few months.

Perhaps ploppy voodoo was the wrong term. Call it irrational, emotional play, instead, which is the downfall of an AP.

Hmmm...I guess casino personnel must not know about, and are not able to purchase, Current Blackjack News...

Game conditions, particularly good ones, are sometimes not reflected in CBJN. BTW, I have been a CBJN reporter for many years.

P.S. Mr. Wong hasn't owned CBJN for a couple of years. It's owned by an Australian guy who owns online casinos and gambling-related web sites.

[Dbs6582]

Here's the ploppy voodoo:

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Good point. I had forgot about that line. Those two sentences were pretty funny.

But the bigger point is Zee has NOT given any advice in his post. Why do APs keep calling him out for giving advice when he’s not doing that? All he does is report on his trip, and he even adds commentary that he probably did things wrong. What’s wrong with that?

[Buckster]

I'm setting the over under at 5.5 more posts in this thread until Norm drops the hammer...

[21forme]

P.S. Thanks for outing yourself on holding back the good info, now I'm glad I never subscribed.

I have never held back good games. I know others have. It's still a very useful publication, but the moral of the story is always scout your own games.

[Optimus Prime]

Way too much Zee bashing in this forum. He chooses to share his trip story for those interested; those not interested are free to ignore it. Yes, his lack of emotional control is costing him EV, but he owns that handicap and certainly doesn't condone that behavior. I read it as a cautionary tale, not as advice. He also reports playing some games that I'd avoid (4/6 shoes, 1/2 double decks) unless I could employ a huge spread. Now if he were advising others to seek out those games, that would be one thing. But he's not. I'd rather see more good BJ info and less judging of Zee.

Hoping the thread is still open as I hit post...