My mistake. 256 handles raises the concept of self fornication to a new level. Speaking if bullshit, how do you keep the toilet from getting plugged?Originally Posted by Dbs6582
Hey BigJer, I think our views on tipping are the same, and we’ve had similar experiences. I have no problem with people who don’t beleive in tipping. It’s a free world and they’re entitled to their beliefs.I've met Colin and Dave Drury in person at one of the BCs. (Love ya Dave. Love ya Colin. Well Colin not so much. JK!) But, this whole issue concerning not tipping is a sticking point with a lot of BJ APs. The way I look at it is, if you had any other job, would you tip? Would you calculate your "expected loss" from you pay check's "EV"? I've seen the YouTube videos on them waiting forever for a room. BTW, the team I was on, and will be rejoining in the future, the manager gave us a little bit to tip waitresses, dealers, etc. That can buy longevity! Besides, a couple of bucks to the dealers and waitresses??? What is the problem?? There's a place back in the Bay Area that I used to frequent and everyone there knows I'm counting, and they let it go! I've also won two of their tournaments too! One of the PBs said you will never be banned from here. I think the prime reasons are I tip the waitresses, play for the dealer, which means tipping only half the amount, and I am very nice to everyone.
One more story, about a place in Reno. Lol. This is bad and I am embarrassed to tell you.(Because this former member of Mensa, here, didn't deposit the check early enough.) Come to find out they had to put a hold on it for a day. When I got up there I couldn't get any money out of my account until later on in the day. I mentioned to a cocktail waitress that I couldn't tip her right now and am waiting for a check to clear. She said, "BigJerr, don't worry about it. You are sweet, etc." Later on I gave her at least few dollars to make up for the service. I'm quite sure they know I'm counting; at least one dealer knows. But I can walk in there at almost any time and the PBs will get me a free room, etc. Tipping and being nice does work.
As the saying goes "What's the difference between canoes and card counters? Canoes occasionally tip.
When I was at the Boot Camp, we were counting, one time Dave corrected one of my mistakes, the RC was off by 1. But, later I corrected a counting mistake by him! His RC was off by one too! That's why my signature says.............
I also had respect for Colin and how he ran his site until he sent me a private email on tipping. I’ll have to go back and read it, but I know when I got it, it pissed me off. It was something about if I was going to mention tipping in my play, I had to run a CVCX sim and let people know how much it negatively impacted my EV. I don’t have the time to do that, and it’s really not that important to me.
At that point, I just wanted off his site and my money reimbursed. Btw, I was not the only person who believed in tipping on BJA. I wonder if these other people also got private emails from Colin asking them to stop talking about tipping.
Absolutes about things such as AP tipping and cover plays are ignorant. There is NO absolute answer. I oppose AP tipping in general but would require it in specific instances. I oppose unplanned cover plays but insist on them in specific situations to promote longevity.
AP play is about winning not setting a bunch of absolute rules to follow blindly and that are self destructive.
Plan your play and play your plan!
BTW BigJer naming DD (or anyone for that matter) in your post (unless it is a forum name) is bad protocol.
Last edited by Stealth; 03-24-2019 at 11:58 AM.
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
Absolutes about things such as AP tipping and cover plays are ignorant. There is NO absolute answer. I oppose AP tipping in general but would require it in specific instances. I oppose unplanned cover plays but insist on them in specific situations to promote longevity.
AP play is about winning not setting a bunch of absolute rules to follow blindly and that are self destructive.
Plan your play and play your plan!
BTW BigJer naming DD (or anyone for that matter) in your post (unless it is a forum name) is bad protocol.
Last edited by Stealth; 03-24-2019 at 11:58 AM.
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
No. It's not being published to anyone new.
Now, if the original poster deletes their post; they can ask that the quote be removed. Which I have done, many times.
Last edited by Norm; 03-24-2019 at 12:31 PM.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
Is this the same person who use to post on BJ21 under the handle DD'?
Email: [email protected]
I did not use the word strengths in my description of you. A far better description would be more of sneaky underhanded person who remains in wait and then enters a thread with an unknown handle "on a new site to him" and insults and slams people he has complimented and learned from on other sites. That he is consistent on. All the while ruining the ongoing discussions, for his own entertainment.
Last edited by BoSox; 03-24-2019 at 02:17 PM.
I want to clarify why I got backed off at BJA. I went back and reread the emails I got from Colin. It was mostly because of my belief in tipping for longevity and I also feel better about myself when I do it. I understand this is not everybody’s opinion.
When I got the first email from Colin it was basically a “shot across the bow” warning me about my comments on tipping and setting guidelines on how I could mention tipping in one of my future posts. He said I needed to sim my play on CVCX and include data on how my tipping negatively impacted my EV. You could say the BJA people worship at the alter of “EV”.
I obvioulsy wasn’t going to do that. What forum moderator goes to that detail, telling someone how they can make a post about something like tipping.
At that point, I wanted off the site. I wanted no part of a forum where I could NOT express my views openly, especially on something like tipping. So when the opportunity arose (I never started a post on tipping), I made my comments on tipping and included no CVCX sim data, and got the expected backoff (really ban) from Colin the next day.
So yes, I saw it coming, kind of like when we see pit bosses hovering in the pit and behind us ready to back us off. I stood my ground and took the backoff like a man. I have principles I wasn’t going to back down from.
I ask you his question: Do you think a casino has every backed someone off for tipping? I doubt it. This is only an offense in the AP world.
I’m still trying to locate an AP code of conduct manual, because APs have very different rules from what I’m used to. If anyone has it, can you please post it?
Can't help you there but I do have a set of protocols based on the "game", the attack protocol, the heat, the bankroll, the player, results reporting, money handling, etc. They are not there as any code of conduct, but to provide a set of checks and balances while maintaining longevity and acceptable levels of EV.
All that opinion data is of little value. For example, I have view of tipping personally that it is very different than tipping as an AP and/or a team member. I don't consider them right or wrong but more "what is appropriate?".
You asked if anyone has ever been backed off for tipping?Well not im my opinion, however try playing a multi day trip and win 5 figures at a table and get up to color up and not tip the dealer. Yes, it cost EV but the pit boss and dealer will be very upset with me when I come back later in the day to play more. Not tipping in that situation would be stupid, having nothing to do with my opinion of the dealer or his/her need to get a tip.
So, as I am oft to say, it depends.!
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
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