Why do we post here and not on the Card Counting Forum Plus??!!

**Counting_Is_Fun** · 02-28-2019, 11:34 PM

I am not too paranoid...but why do we post our secrets on this open forum?
It is so easy now for casino employees to view all that we discuss.
When I joined, I immediately paid Norm for his great venue but I got very few responses in the paid forum.
Now we have Colin from Blackjack Apprenticeship with a YouTube channel and videos showing everything a casino needs to further ruin our local games.
Of course card counting info has been known since decades ago...but now it is SO EASY to find. Before you had to buy a book...now all our discussions etc are a simple click away for all pit critters.
Are all of you paid members? We should move all discussions to the paid forum.

**stopgambling** · 03-01-2019, 12:41 AM

tHAT IS WHY NOT OF REAL VALUE ARE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FREE FORUM . AT LEAST I TRY TO say thing that is not " out of line".

**bigplayer** · 03-01-2019, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun

I am not too paranoid...
Now we have Colin from Blackjack Apprenticeship with a YouTube channel and videos showing everything a casino needs to further ruin our local games.

Casinos aren't as stupid as you think they are. There is nothing on BJ Apprenticeship that most casinos aren't already very well aware of. They have quick shuffles that may be exploitable because they make more money with quick shuffles and deep penetration. There are books by Zender, Forte, Jacobson, and others that have all of the same information. I have a phony casino company and get invited to dozens of seminars annually on every topic from marketing to game protection to whatever. The information is all out there and yet some casinos don't care. A few You-Tube videos aren't going to make a difference.

**Counting_Is_Fun** · 03-01-2019, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by stopgambling

tHAT IS WHY NOT OF REAL VALUE ARE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FREE FORUM . AT LEAST I TRY TO say thing that is not " out of line".

Are you kidding? We discuss everything on this open forum.

**Counting_Is_Fun** · 03-01-2019, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by bigplayer

Casinos aren't as stupid as you think they are. There is nothing on BJ Apprenticeship that most casinos aren't already very well aware of. They have quick shuffles that may be exploitable because they make more money with quick shuffles and deep penetration. There are books by Zender, Forte, Jacobson, and others that have all of the same information. I have a phony casino company and get invited to dozens of seminars annually on every topic from marketing to game protection to whatever. The information is all out there and yet some casinos don't care. A few You-Tube videos aren't going to make a difference.

Yes like I said, books have been available forever but...how many people today actually buy and read books? YouTube videos and open forums make it SO much easier.

**G Man** · 03-01-2019, 06:27 AM

It's THORP !!

**ummagumma** · 03-01-2019, 07:27 AM

Funny post. As if casinos take any notice of forums like this. Laughable....

**refinery** · 03-01-2019, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by ummagumma

Funny post. As if casinos take any notice of forums like this. Laughable....

naïve

**G Man** · 03-01-2019, 07:51 AM

Can't say it on an open board but ask your wife what she thinks of it...

**G Man** · 03-01-2019, 08:37 AM

Can't really guess what you conclude...

**21frogman** · 03-01-2019, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun

.how many people today actually buy and read books? YouTube videos and open forums make it SO much easier.

Pretty much anyone who is even mildly serious about gaining an advantage in BJ. See below.

https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...-have-you-read

**Optimus Prime** · 03-01-2019, 11:44 AM

Check out the GWAE episodes with Griff, an eye-in-the-sky guy. Compared to cheating and employee theft, APs are a small expense, which is probably why they haven't taken more proactive countermeasures.

Another reason is probably that the ratio of APs playing a winning game to pseudo-APs who THINK they're playing a winning game is probably lower than we all think. If you offer a beatable game, you lure in people who will try to beat it and fail. And if you do see someone beating your game, you bar 'em.

**bigplayer** · 03-01-2019, 02:26 PM

Proactive countermeasures are incredibly expensive. They are like nuking your house because you found 1 roach 5 years ago. Most players are not AP's. Treating the entire casino customer base like they are criminals by requiring players card to play double deck or not allowing mid-entry cost the casino thousands of dollars a week in expected value. Players that aren't playing aren't losing.