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    This is all pointless. Again, EoRs are back of the envelop estimates of efficacy used only for the purposes of identifying possible avenues of investigation. They were brilliantly conceived. But, stop pretending that they are accurate.
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    This is all pointless. Again, EoRs are back of the envelop estimates of efficacy used only for the purposes of identifying possible avenues of investigation. They were brilliantly conceived. But, stop pretending that they are accurate.
    Please explain a few ponts about EoR. If EoR are so useless, then why has BJA3 bothered to list EoR to 4 or 5 significant figures? I used EoR for all of my calculations and each time I added more changes to the HL system the SCORE improved. That menas EoR must work.

    After Gronbog finishes his sims of my KO system, which I used EoR to calculate, then I would like you to revisit your comments on EoR.

    Also you mentioend blackjack is not linear (which I heard many times before) but I also read that the linear model is sill very good for blackjack and EoR were calcluated using LSL I believe.

    I am assuming that non-linearly would be important only with less than one deck remaining and if more than one deck is remaining, then linearity is sitll an excellent approxiimation.

    Again, I am not sure about this. So if you do not mind, please expound a little on the non-linearity of blackjack and my comment that with more than one deck remaining, the non-linearly of blackjack can be ignored without much error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjanalyst View Post
    Please explain a few ponts about EoR.
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    Again, EoRs are back of the envelop estimates of efficacy used only for the purposes of identifying possible avenues of investigation. They were brilliantly conceived. But, stop pretending that they are accurate.
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    After Gronbog finishes his sims of my KO system, which I used EoR to calculated, then I would like you to revisit your comments on EoR.
    Simming would be the first step in an investigation on avenues to pursue so at least it is a start.
    Quote Originally Posted by bjanalyst View Post
    Also you mentioend blackjack is not linear (which I heard many times before) but I also read that the linear model is sill very good for blackjack and EoR were calcluated using LSL I believe.
    EoRs change as cards are removed. That is why BJ is not linear. Try calculating the EoRs of a depleted pack. That investigation will make you realize a lot of things. I know counters that want accuracy when they have an advantage that use the EoRs for an advantage deck composition rather than full deck EoRs.
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    I am assuming that non-linearly would be important only with less thatn one deck remaining and if more than one deck is remaining, then lineariyt is sitll an excellent approxiimation.
    The only thing linear in BJ is insurance. Why do you think the casinos add more decks and cut off more cards? It isn't because they want to keep the game linear. The fact is there is betting accuracy, playing accuracy, variance and bet size when all these things are factored in that all interact to determine how effective you count is. Have you calculated how all 4 of these things will interact when you decide you have something that will perform well. You are still at the starting point of investigation. That is using the EoRs to define a count system. Then you investigate it using sims to see how well it performs. Then you make the judgement call as to whether or not improvements are worth the added difficulty. Every count is much simpler than what you are proposing so your count needs to blow them all away to get anyone to judge it as worth it.

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