Considering trying full-time

**Dbs6582** · 11-05-2018, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by angle_sh00ter

Not too sure where this great notion of adding something to society came from? While commendable i feel it may be a bit misdirected at least as it pertains to the subject matter.

Lets not forget the small fact that if someone's employment "adds to society" it is merely incidental to the primary concern of generating an income for themselves (and a profit for their employer/company)

Not saying that there are not people out there doing amazing things for society. Just try not to lose sight of what it is that actually keeps things spinning.

Agreed. See my original answer to the question. This concept of adding “value to society” through ones work came from Stanford Wong, where he said “something more valuable to society.” when someone asked if he should play full time. I happened to be reading a book and thought it was interesting how Stanford Wong would have replied to this question.

Look I like card counting and being a part time AP. I don’t see anything wrong with it. But I don’t think it’s a great idea to do it full time. There were several other people who responded to the OP and gave the same answer but for different reasons.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I don’t think there is any right answer here.

**angle_sh00ter** · 11-05-2018, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Dbs6582

Agreed. See my original answer to the question. This concept of adding “value to society” through ones work came from Stanford Wong, where he said “something more valuable to society.” when someone asked if he should play full time. I happened to be reading a book and thought it was interesting how Stanford Wong would have replied to this question.

Look I like card counting and being a part time AP. I don’t see anything wrong with it. But I don’t think it’s a great idea to do it full time. There were several other people who responded to the OP and gave the same answer but for different reasons.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I don’t think there is any right answer here.

Nothing to really disagree with there. My take on it is that if someone can make a good living playing BJ and they enjoy it and are passionate about it then more power to them. Now that probably rules out most people but hey im assuming that those of us here are in a select minority to begin with. If someone still has a burning desire to be of benefit to society i am sure they can find other ways of contributing, even if it's not directly through their profession

**Midwest Player** · 11-05-2018, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

Any idea how much Wong made from cc'ing? It was a paltry amount. Hence, a poor authority on the subject matter.

Wong made enough money from playing blackjack to teach at the college level for free. This doesn't sound like a poor authority on the subject matter.

“I was making more money playing blackjack than teaching classes and I didn’t want to have to go to all of the faculty meetings. I thought they were a waste of time and instead of sticking around for meetings I would rather pop over to Las Vegas,” he says. Since he had signed a contract he felt obligated to continue to teach his classes but he really didn’t need the money so he made a deal with the school to teach for free in return for not having to go to the meetings. The University agreed and paid him a salary of $1 for his last term of teaching at the school. That, according to Wong, was his “last real job.”

https://www.americancasinoguide.com/...blackjack.html

**Stealth** · 11-05-2018, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Midwest Player

I was making more money playing blackjack than teaching classes and I didn’t want to have to go to all of the faculty meetings.

Perhps you should investigate the games, rules and penetration along with the heat experienced before drawing a conclusion based on 15+ years ago.

**Joe Mama** · 11-06-2018, 07:10 AM

It can be done, BUT, will it be satisfying?

The mechanics of counting are easily mastered, but the art of staying in the game becomes more difficult with time. Player's card or not, you will soon be recognized as a threat, and opportunities to succeed will dry up in certain geographical areas requiring more and more travel to limit your exposure in certain areas while trying to make enough to live on.

**Jabberwocky** · 11-06-2018, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Joe Mama

It can be done, BUT, will it be satisfying?

The mechanics of counting are easily mastered, but the art of staying in the game becomes more difficult with time. Player's card or not, you will soon be recognized as a threat, and opportunities to succeed will dry up in certain geographical areas requiring more and more travel to limit your exposure in certain areas while trying to make enough to live on.

+1

**Jabberwocky** · 11-06-2018, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Stealth

Perhps you should investigate the games, rules and penetration along with the heat experienced before drawing a conclusion based on 15+ years ago.

+1

**cc12b** · 11-07-2018, 06:33 PM

"Many are called but only few chosen" Someone had said that in the other thread on the same subject of "full time or not full time". I agree with that. This question comes up quite often

**cc12b** · 11-07-2018, 06:36 PM

"Many are called but only few chosen" Someone had said that in the other thread on the same subject of "full time or not full time". I agree with that. This question come up quite often.

**zbest1966** · 11-23-2018, 01:11 PM

What other games you do play beside BJ, how much is there advantage compare to BJ.

**Joe Mama** · 11-23-2018, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by cc12b

"Many are called but only few chosen"

I thought it was many are cold but few are frozen

**RCJH** · 11-23-2018, 10:41 PM

In addition to all the great advice given, I think you have to consider your personality.

I consider myself a part-time pro AP. I have thought long and hard about ditching the paycheck to do this full time. I think I'm technically good enough (others have checked my game, and twice I've made more than my salary on AP), but I don't have the heart for it. There is nothing rewarding or fulfilling about being an AP, other than the smugness of knowing you can beat them at their own game. But even that only takes you so far.

For me, its like having two jobs--one you love, and one that pays the bills. I am fortunate that I do have a good job I love AND pays the bills, so AP is my side hustle. And to that end, I enjoy it. But being in a casino full time would wear me down.

I also personally know people who have changed due to their AP. They are harder, and some have gone down the road of the degenerate gambler--they are addicted to the casino lifestyle. I also know others who have remained balanced and kind, able to weather the ups and downs of AP. For me, it's better to stay part time.

Whatever you choose, best of variance to you.

**ZeeBabar** · 11-23-2018, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by RCJH

In addition to all the great advice given, I think you have to consider your personality.

I also personally know people who have changed due to their AP. They are harder, and some have gone down the road of the degenerate gambler--they are addicted to the casino lifestyle. I also know others who have remained balanced and kind, able to weather the ups and downs of AP. For me, it's better to stay part time.

Whatever you choose, best of variance to you.

It's quite obvious from being on this forum what happens to far too many full time pros. Just go through the various threads and you will find that nasty posts, hostile posts, posts to hurt a poster, generally come from full time pros. Many a smart full time pro, quit AP BJ to find other ways of making money, some to write or teach or manage forums, but the ones who have no other skills spend a lot of time on these forums taking their hostilities out.