New member, first post, first question about how it is beatable in my country.

[GoGoCity]

Hello,

my name's Andrea, from Italy. 30yo
I am an ex texas hold'em NL pro player ( cash game 6-max, nl100 and nl200). I've stopped playing Hold'em in 2013 (was bored about it, and my edge still decreasing)
I'm a psychologist.

Some days ago, I've decided to study BJ. I read about it in some sites, and after some lurking, I bought a book, that I've studied (John Bukofsky, play Lke the pros, a complete guide).
I don't know if it's the best book to begin, but reviews seemed good

I had to adjust book basic strategy, 'cause the book talks about european BJ with some rules, but some are wrong (for ex, it's not true that here it can be double down only 9, T, A)

Now, I know hi low method, I count a deck in 20 second, I went to casino to test, with minimum bet, my skill counting, and I'm able.

But I'm afraid, and I'm not sure I'm not wasting my time studying a game unbeatable (in my country).

In my 2 nearest casino, rules are:

6 decks
double down always allowed
not early surrender (in one casino not surrender at all)
dealer stand on S17
dealer doesn't check with T and A until the end of the hand

first 5 card in a new shoe are burned and players can't see them.
the worst (in my newbie opinion): Cutting card is placed in THE MIDDLE, sometimes in 4/6, but it's rare.

I studied how penetretion is important. And in my country it seems impossibile getting a good depth.

So, I'm asking to you, if this kind of game is beatable, or if it's a suicide game.

In my opinion it can be done, 'cause a positive true count anyway predicts high cards, althought the cut card is in the middle).
The other obvious flip is that I know that deep penetretion allows more accuracy and more advantage.

Thanks for reading.

Ps.

I'm new to the forum, and if this post already exists, I apologize

[Bricklayer]

Ill let the Math guys really answer your question.
Some people are raised or reminded that nothing is impossible. Most end up as degens... lol. Good luck with your journey.
When a game is “unplayable.” Just remember there is probably (lol) someone who can destroy it. Its all in the cards. Some will “get lucky”, most definitely will not.

[GoGoCity]

Sorry, but my english sucks and it's difficult to recognize sarcasm for me.
Is your answer: Yes, it's beatable? or that if someone tells that this kind of game is beatable, he's crazy and he'll ho broke soon or later?
Thanks

[Freightman]

Sorry, but my english sucks and it's difficult to recognize sarcasm for me.
Is your answer: Yes, it's beatable? or that if someone tells that this kind of game is beatable, he's crazy and he'll ho broke soon or later?
Thanks

If your referring to me, in suggesting you not waste your time. All of the parameters of your game we’re not stated. By 8nference, your game us ENHC with S17. There’s an arg7ment fir winging in/out, but yo7 won’t be 0kay8ng many hands. Further, you’re not seasoned enough, judging b6 your c9mments, to take advantage if game nuances.

[DSchles]

If your referring to me, in suggesting you not waste your time. All of the parameters of your game we’re not stated. By 8nference, your game us ENHC with S17. There’s an arg7ment fir winging in/out, but yo7 won’t be 0kay8ng many hands. Further, you’re not seasoned enough, judging b6 your c9mments, to take advantage if game nuances.

You truly need to have the courtesy to proofread your posts before sending them, especially to someone whose native language isn't English. The above is an abomination, even by your (rather low) standards.

Don

[Freightman]

You truly need to have the courtesy to proofread your posts before sending them, especially to someone whose native language isn't English. The above is an abomination, even by your (rather low) standards.

Don

I read that after the fact, and unfortunatelly, I have to agree - not for the courtesy of proofreading, but for the abomination. That was pretty shitty. I meant well.

However, I will endeavor to improve, and correspondingly, catch you in some egregious error

[cottage cheese]

You truly need to have the courtesy to proofread your posts before sending them, especially to someone whose native language isn't English. The above is an abomination, even by your (rather low) standards.

Don

"If your referring to me, in suggesting you not waste your time. All of the parameters of your game we’re not stated. By 8nference, your game us ENHC with S17. There’s an arg7ment fir winging in/out, but yo7 won’t be 0kay8ng many hands. Further, you’re not seasoned enough, judging b6 your c9mments, to take advantage if game nuances."

missed a couple there, don

(yes, my self-esteem really is that low)

[DSchles]

"If your referring to me, in suggesting you not waste your time. All of the parameters of your game we’re not stated. By 8nference, your game us ENHC with S17. There’s an arg7ment fir winging in/out, but yo7 won’t be 0kay8ng many hands. Further, you’re not seasoned enough, judging b6 your c9mments, to take advantage if game nuances."

missed a couple there, don

(yes, my self-esteem really is that low)

Shows you how tough accurate proofreading is. Thankless task.

Don

[21forme]

Shows you how tough accurate proofreading is. Thankless task.

There should be an app for that.

[Freightman]

Shows you how tough accurate proofreading is. Thankless task.

Don

I’m coming after you, Balboa.

https://youtu.be/Cwgw-lMIIXg

[Purplemoon]

Sorry, but my english sucks and it's difficult to recognize sarcasm for me.
Is your answer: Yes, it's beatable? or that if someone tells that this kind of game is beatable, he's crazy and he'll ho broke soon or later?
Thanks

Ciao GogoCity,

What Freightman is saying is that if you just watch and don't play, you can keep the count and only enter the game when it is profitable i.e positive true counts. Otherwise it will cost you money minimum betting all the time because the profitable edge will be in favour of the casino for too much of the time while you wait for that true count (t.c)... just when it is arriving the plastic cut card comes out... this technique of watching until it is profitable is called "wonging in" it's named after Stanford Wong who wrote Proffessional Blackjack, a great book that you should buy.

I've been playing in Western Europe for two years and it is very bad, either C.S.Ms (continuous shuffle machines) or really bad penetration.

In bocca lupo per il tuo apprendimento e ci vediamo in Vegas baby! Or maybe eastern Europe... hmmm..

[GoGoCity]

Ciao GogoCity,

What Freightman is saying is that if you just watch and don't play, you can keep the count and only enter the game when it is profitable i.e positive true counts. Otherwise it will cost you money minimum betting all the time because the profitable edge will be in favour of the casino for too much of the time while you wait for that true count (t.c)... just when it is arriving the plastic cut card comes out... this technique of watching until it is profitable is called "wonging in" it's named after Stanford Wong who wrote Proffessional Blackjack, a great book that you should buy.

I've been playing in Western Europe for two years and it is very bad, either C.S.Ms (continuous shuffle machines) or really bad penetration.

In bocca lupo per il tuo apprendimento e ci vediamo in Vegas baby! Or maybe eastern Europe... hmmm..

Thanks you.
I'm still reading Wong's book.
Yep, in my country penetretion is bad, but I'll W w +TC. I'll try.

Althought, it's possibile to backcount playing online.
I'm looking 4 good BJ sites.

Ciao

[Letangs]

Thanks you.
I'm still reading Wong's book.
Yep, in my country penetretion is bad, but I'll W w +TC. I'll try.

Althought, it's possibile to backcount playing online.
I'm looking 4 good BJ sites.

Ciao

You can try.
But bad penetration also means the frequencies of a good TC will drastically reduce...
The lower the penetration is, the lower the frequencies of your advantage will appear.