You have all the information you could possibly hope for in the Floating Advantage chapter. And, no, as we know, isn't worth much.Originally Posted by Norm
Don
With running counts, Dravot showed some gain in depth based ramps which are supported by CVCX in combination with Kelly optimization. But, the gain is less than great. I planned an addition to CVCX that would also include depth based, Kelly optimization with floating advantage and after study, decided the gain wasn't worth the effort. It's a very interesting curiosity -- but as Don says, isn't of much value. There are far more valuable ways to attack today's game.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
Of course .5 extra penetration is enormously beneficial with any decent strategy. Reread everything we've posted and stop posting for a while until you have absorbed it as you have made some seriously flawed posts recently.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
From your perspective perhaps. I would note that you have steadfastly in the long term refused to even consider any portion of my thoughts. But you’re right, an extended vacation is in order.
It’s unfortunate that this thread evolved that way but here’s my two cents.
Norm, while it’s true that Freightman did not fully explain his system, it’s clear that it is Halves with an ace side count plus a side count of middle cards which in his case include the 6, lumped with 789s. He said it often enough.
Thus, Freightman improved the insurance part of a great betting system (Halves) that is basically poor regarding insurance.
Unfortunately, his dual ramping concept based on ratios of middle cards has not been simmed and quantified but it’s clear that he bets more at each positive TC when there is a shortage of middle cards. That is when his Quality True Count (QTC) kicks in. That would need to be defined precisely.
Plus, the extra information gained with the middle card side count allows him to make more proper strategy deviations than most. We just don’t know exactly what are his numerous strategy deviation indices.
To sim his system would take a great effort not unlike the 2017 Tarzan project but it’s clear that it has value and I am convinced that with a sophisticated sim his SCORE would be higher than Halves or Halves with an Ace Sice count.
I don’t need a sim to believe that he plays a strong game. We all know that Halves is strong. Freighter made it stronger.
The only question (besides the details mentioned) is how much stronger.
That being said, I hope Freighter doesn’t take as long a vacation as Cacarulo once did. I think he’s genuinely interested in helping inexperienced players. He’s “colorful” for sure and maybe too colorful at times, but he is a plus to this forum.
What he has said, all too often, is meaningless without a strict definition. We have no idea of any gain vs. difficulty. It is of no use to anyone, other than as an idea to be mentioned once -- not in scores of threads about many other subjects. What is the point of interrupting so many, many threads with my system is better? This amounts to disruptive posting. His posts in this thread have been ironic. He demands specificity from the OP despite the fact the OP's posts have been absolutely clear and Freight is unspecific in his own posts. His posts in this thread have not at all been useful to inexperienced players.
How many times do I have to say, start a thread about your system if you wish instead of interrupting so many other threads? And please, never compare Freightman with Cacarulo.
"I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse
I didn't compare them at all but I will here.
I don't know much about Cacarulo except that he's a strong math/sim guy.
I may be wrong but from what I have seen from Cac,
he doesn't seem to have much interest in side count of middle cards as a block.
Freightman does. I do. Tarzan does.
Very few others seem to care about middle cards so be it.
Freightman helped me with that valuable concept and k_c CDCA confirmed that.
I asked Cac but he doesn't seem to care about the middle card concept. Fine.
Cac's aces count regarding insurance did not help me at all.
It's so easy to play perfect insurance.
But I can see how it can help other players.
While we are it, I will add the names who helped me most with
my game in chronological order: Snyder, Don, you, Freightman, Tarzan and K_C.
There ara a few others of course.
I sympathise with you at times Norm.
I would not want to manage a forum
I see it can be a headache at times.
I really wasn't going to chime in here, but I think a few (hopefully objective) comments are in order.
First, keeping a side count of middle cards, which strangely, includes the 6 with the 7, 8, and 9, surely seems redundant to me, for betting purposes, when Halves, as its primary count, already reckons all of those ranks, except the 8, which is strictly useless for betting purposes. So, why would you bet more when there's a shortage of middle cards, when you've already counted them once?
Second, the extensive project for simulating Tarzan's system (to call it just a "count" would be to do it a grave injustice) was, at least for me, anti-climactic in that it showed only relatively modest gains over Hi-Opt II ASC. And, it is altogether a given that Freightman's system can't possibly claim to approach the complexity or sophistication of what Tarzan does. This, of course, is no knock on Freighty. No one on the face of the earth does what Tarzan does, so comparisons simply aren't fair.
Finally, you have to agree with Norm, when he reiterates, ad nauseam, that hijacking threads is truly odious on this, as on other, forums. The participants here have a singular inability to stay on point, but few worse than Freightman, who, nonetheless, I do not dislike. Often, he toys with the group, just to amuse himself, but surely gets carried away much too frequently. In that respect, I'm afraid he resembles the dearly departed Tthree, who, we found out after only many years, was talking about a system for Spanish 21, a small detail that he decided to keep from everyone for the better part of, well, forever!
Don
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