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  1. 10-14-2018, 08:55 AM #1
    Hayden
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    Is it beatable?

    Is it beatable with card counting?


    • Six decks
    • Dealer stands on soft 17
    • Player may double on any first two cards, including after splitting
    • Player may split to up to four hands, except aces may only be split once
    • Player may take early surrender, except against a dealer ace
    • If player double/split, s/he only loses the original bet when the dealer gets a blackjack
    • CSM in use but dealer will let a small pile (about 52 cards) build up before putting them in the shuffler
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    Mental estimation 0.15% - 0.20% house edge

    With 1/6 pen..

    I would say that game IS marginally beatable, but not worth trying
    Last edited by CountinCanadian; 10-14-2018 at 09:10 AM.
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    The house edge with these rules is less than 0.2%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayden View Post
    Is it beatable with card counting?


    • Six decks
    • Dealer stands on soft 17
    • Player may double on any first two cards, including after splitting
    • Player may split to up to four hands, except aces may only be split once
    • Player may take early surrender, except against a dealer ace
    • If player double/split, s/he only loses the original bet when the dealer gets a blackjack
    • CSM in use but dealer will let a small pile (about 52 cards) build up before putting them in the shuffler
    If you play internationally txt me at [email protected]....I can not only advise you but maybe more...

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    Looks like Macau rules. HE should be 0.16% according to wizard of Macau.

    Beatable with the windowed count if they allow you to play all boxes on the table. I’ll recommend reverse split in that case.
    Though EV might be marginal, but if you can combine it with players card for comp and maybe some form or rebate it’s not bad?

    I assume OP is in Asia, not like we have a great choice of games like some of the players here. Private Msg me if you wish to exchange info on Asia.


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    Yes the casino is in Macau! My English is not that good, what do you mean by reverse split?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayden View Post
    Yes the casino is in Macau! My English is not that good, what do you mean by reverse split?
    I was in Macau few month ago. While I was there, I was trying to find a breakeven game to kill time, but I didn't find such one that reserve 1 deck of cards before putting them in the CSM. The game you described is not worth trying for money, but it can achieve break even variance trading situation. Do you mind telling me which casino in Macau offers this kind of game?

    ???? PACM00 ?? Tapatalk??
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    Quote Originally Posted by San Jose Bella View Post
    I was in Macau few month ago. While I was there, I was trying to find a breakeven game to kill time, but I didn't find such one that reserve 1 deck of cards before putting them in the CSM. The game you described is not worth trying for money, but it can achieve break even variance trading situation. Do you mind telling me which casino in Macau offers this kind of game?

    ???? PACM00 ?? Tapatalk??
    The old Lisboa, with the min bet ~$25 US dollars. Yea I agree with you it is kinda like a break-even game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayden View Post
    The old Lisboa, with the min bet ~$25 US dollars. Yea I agree with you it is kinda like a break-even game.
    I went to old Lisboa and didn't find such game. Probably they offer the game seasonally?
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  10. 10-21-2018, 06:43 AM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by San Jose Bella View Post
    I went to old Lisboa and didn't find such game. Probably they offer the game seasonally?
    I went there in September. I am not sure if its seasonally coz I have just been there twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayden View Post
    Yes the casino is in Macau! My English is not that good, what do you mean by reverse split?
    Search for all csm related topics in the forum you might get an idea. What’s the min bet here ? If it’s low enough and you can get away with a large spread..... marginally beatable if you wish to pass time. Shouldn’t count on it to make money ?? maybe you can score a free dinner with the casino. The great thing about Macau is the casino is probably ten min walk away from where you stay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_phantom View Post
    Search for all csm related topics in the forum you might get an idea. What’s the min bet here ? If it’s low enough and you can get away with a large spread..... marginally beatable if you wish to pass time. Shouldn’t count on it to make money ?? maybe you can score a free dinner with the casino. The great thing about Macau is the casino is probably ten min walk away from where you stay.


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    It's a 7 boxes table with the min bet ~$25 US dollar. I think it's okay to do a large bet spread here, I didn't see any pit boss watching the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayden View Post
    It's a 7 boxes table with the min bet ~$25 US dollar. I think it's okay to do a large bet spread here, I didn't see any pit boss watching the table.
    That’s way too high a min bet to do a large spread on a break even game. Damn those market spoiling rich Chinese.
    You need like a min of 20k br to play a 25 min game. Even then, volatility is huge, what’s the point? .
    With that many casinos in Macau and the recent falling revenue, maybe there are places with a rebate programme?


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