Blackjack and Women

[dalmatian]

So I really like blackjack. Like, a lot. The problem is talking about it with women. Most women I meet at bars, clubs, or on dating sites don't understand what card counting is. They either think I'm a degenerate gambler or seem uninterested. Are there women who like blackjack AP? I mean women in their 20s or 30s that are genuinely into card counting?! It's so hard to meet them if they are out there.

So far every female I was stupid enough to mention card counting around has stop talking to me. It sucks. I wish there were other attractive, intelligent people my age of the opposite gender that shared this interest with me. Anyone meet the woman of their dreams in a casino? Probably not

[Letangs]

If I remember correctly, Ken Uston said something along those lines in MDB (correct me anyone if I'm wrong, havn't read the book in a while) :

That girls aren't really interested into this, and he tried to teach CC to women and it didn't really work out for some reasons, and he has himself not witnessed many girls who mastered CC.

Lack of interest or lack of capacity, hard to say really.

Same goes for Poker in fact. You see perhaps 95% men for 5% women (but usually the 5% women are true killers).

I don't know if anyone could explain why. I guess it's because card games have always been men-crowded. Just like football a few years ago, even if it's slightly changing now with more & more girls going to stadiums, and girls-team getting built up.

[ZeeBabar]

I was playing tired in Tunica, MS and later I was contacted by a female AP who suggested I not play tired, that I had bet a max bet at TC-5 (luckily I won that bet), that she was playing at the same table with me. I can't remember much, maybe she was the African American attorney.

Another time, at a downtown St.Louis casino where a gorgeous blonde in scruffy jeans and top was blatantly spreading while smoking away. I sat down, realized she was a counter. She was getting minimum along with me at negative counts but when TC went up, her max bet was 20+.

I am positive there are many.

[ZeeBabar]

If I remember correctly, Ken Uston said something along those lines in MDB (correct me anyone if I'm wrong, havn't read the book in a while) :

That girls aren't really interested into this, and he tried to teach CC to women and it didn't really work out for some reasons, and he has himself not witnessed many girls who mastered CC.

Lack of interest or lack of capacity, hard to say really.

Same goes for Poker in fact. You see perhaps 95% men for 5% women (but usually the 5% women are true killers).

I don't know if anyone could explain why. I guess it's because card games have always been men-crowded. Just like football a few years ago, even if it's slightly changing now with more & more girls going to stadiums, and girls-team getting built up.

Why would a girl be impressed with someone who brags about going to smoke filled, sleazy places full of mindless people and seniors at the tail end of their life at slot machines, playing a cat and mouse game with casino personnel and getting away with a few dollars. To some, it's like going to Wal-Mart and getting away with candy or driving over the speed limit and not getting caught.

It's not like they believe you have a great job, vacation time, and a 6 figure salary. Don't make card counting your career and if you have another career, find someone using that. Keep card counting as a private enterprise.

[Letangs]

Why would a girl be impressed with someone who brags about going to smoke filled, sleazy places full of mindless people and seniors at the tail end of their life at slot machines, playing a cat and mouse game with casino personnel and getting away with a few dollars. To some, it's like going to Wal-Mart and getting away with candy or driving over the speed limit and not getting caught.

It's not like they believe you have a great job, vacation time, and a 6 figure salary. Don't make card counting your career and if you have another career, find someone using that. Keep card counting as a private enterprise.

I think you wanted to quote the Original Poster, not me.

[CountinCanadian]

I think if you actually get in a relationship with someone then it's a lot easier to explain and for them to have interest. Don't think it makes such a good pickup line

[Midwest Player]

I see a lot of beautiful young girls sit patiently at the blackjack table and watch their boyfriends play.

[angle_sh00ter]

I think if you actually get in a relationship with someone then it's a lot easier to explain and for them to have interest. Don't think it makes such a good pickup line

Pretty much this. I wouldn't be bringing up the subject on a first date unless I didn't really care if there was going to be a second date.

[RS]

Just about everyone associates gambling, in any manner, to be a losing proposition. The casino always wins. Many people are simply incapable of understanding you can win (long term) in a casino. Well, the thought of "long term" doesn't even mean a thing to them. Whenever I've explained to someone I'm a professional gambler, they don't get quite it (not their fault, necessarily). They just think along the terms of 'luck'. They'll say things like, "Oh, cool, I wish I was that lucky" or if I say I've been doing it for several years, they say "Wow you've been getting lucky for that long? Sweet!" Of course, there's always the "Just remember, the house always wins!" The concept of using math to determine an advantage and as a means to make an income is something that is just so far removed from their thought process, it'd be like trying to explain calculus to a dog -- the concept simply doesn't exist in their brain.

Even people in a casino don't realize how it works. I don't know how many floormen, pit bosses, or dealers I've heard say something like, "Card counting .... all it does is reduce the house edge. But a player can't win, because there's a house edge in the game."

I met a group of people during a promotion one time, who I was certain were APs (turns out, they weren't). It was a pretty good promotion, definitely worth traveling for. We got to talking...and they realized it was a "good" promotion, but they didn't quite understand the concept that you can actually win money in a casino. They thought it was odd I'd travel to play a promotion, just like how I'd think it's odd if you traveled to Texas just to go to a WalMart. They were doing pretty much everything right, it was just the last little part didn't quite 'click' for them. During our conversations, I'd think it'd finally 'click' in their head, but they'd end up saying something like, "But you never know, you can always lose. It's just a gamble. After all, the house always wins".


I don't mean to be harsh on people who don't understand it, just saying, it's like there's something in their brain that blocks the idea that it's possible to make a sustained income in gambling.

My point is -- it's not something that (IMO) most people can just immediately figure out. It'll take an incredible amount of energy to explain it to almost anyone, and that's probably not something you're going to want to do when trynna pick up chicks. It's like your dragon ballz or yugioh collection, they're (99.54% of the time) not going to be interested whatsoever. No matter how fascinating it is to you, they're not going to see the appeal in it.

[PaulWilson87]

I have not met such smart girls

[ZeeBabar]

I guess I'm not really trying to impress anyone with it, just saying it's surprising more women arnt at least interested by it. It's a legal hustle. What's not interesting about that?

"Legal hustle" in the same category as ambulance chasing lawyers. I think " hustle" is a word that turns off most women. Telling someone you are into hustling, legal or illegal, is not going to impress the right type of women.

[Bubbles]

Just about everyone associates gambling, in any manner, to be a losing proposition. The casino always wins. Many people are simply incapable of understanding you can win (long term) in a casino. Well, the thought of "long term" doesn't even mean a thing to them. Whenever I've explained to someone I'm a professional gambler, they don't get quite it (not their fault, necessarily). They just think along the terms of 'luck'. They'll say things like, "Oh, cool, I wish I was that lucky" or if I say I've been doing it for several years, they say "Wow you've been getting lucky for that long? Sweet!" Of course, there's always the "Just remember, the house always wins!" The concept of using math to determine an advantage and as a means to make an income is something that is just so far removed from their thought process, it'd be like trying to explain calculus to a dog -- the concept simply doesn't exist in their brain.

Even people in a casino don't realize how it works. I don't know how many floormen, pit bosses, or dealers I've heard say something like, "Card counting .... all it does is reduce the house edge. But a player can't win, because there's a house edge in the game."

I met a group of people during a promotion one time, who I was certain were APs (turns out, they weren't). It was a pretty good promotion, definitely worth traveling for. We got to talking...and they realized it was a "good" promotion, but they didn't quite understand the concept that you can actually win money in a casino. They thought it was odd I'd travel to play a promotion, just like how I'd think it's odd if you traveled to Texas just to go to a WalMart. They were doing pretty much everything right, it was just the last little part didn't quite 'click' for them. During our conversations, I'd think it'd finally 'click' in their head, but they'd end up saying something like, "But you never know, you can always lose. It's just a gamble. After all, the house always wins".


I don't mean to be harsh on people who don't understand it, just saying, it's like there's something in their brain that blocks the idea that it's possible to make a sustained income in gambling.

My point is -- it's not something that (IMO) most people can just immediately figure out. It'll take an incredible amount of energy to explain it to almost anyone, and that's probably not something you're going to want to do when trynna pick up chicks. It's like your dragon ballz or yugioh collection, they're (99.54% of the time) not going to be interested whatsoever. No matter how fascinating it is to you, they're not going to see the appeal in it.

+1. Almost all the non APs out there will have a very hard time wrapping their head around the concept of actually winning consistently over time. It's not a good pick up line lol. Female APs exist. There's been a few on GWAE recently. Single female APs exist too. The overwhelming majority, 95% or more, of APs are male though. And of that 5% of female APs, probably something like 80% of them were dragged into it by their husband/boyfriend and it's not actually their real interest.

I've found AP to be a killer of my romantic life too. If I meet someone and they see me with chips or at the cage, I worry they want my bankroll and not me. I've also forgone a few second dates just because I felt they wouldn't approve of my AP life. I'm constantly traveling. What guy would be OK with his gf traveling around without him and sometimes staying at her male friends'? I've not actually brought up that I count cards while on a date. I don't know what sort of reaction that might have. I hardly ever bring it up with anyone. I actually felt really bad about the last date I had. I dragged the guy to a blackjack table and counted while we were on our date. Sure, it was +EV, but I felt like a horrible person.

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[Three]

To answer your question, there are some women interested in counting, but not many. Plus you aren't likely to meet them in bars.

During the vetting process of dating don't mention blackjack. Once she has decided she likes you a lot and is not screening her date based on scant information and stereotypes then you can think about mentioning BJ. If she is not interested she will be bored. What about math and risk management do you think a woman would find interesting. Try showing interest in her and her interests, instead of talking about something that would bore 99% of the public.