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    Losing more but less frequently happens along with those losing sessions being longer in time as it's tougher to walk away when down and you either end up with the session becoming a win or you lose even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Losing more but less frequently happens along with those losing sessions being longer in time as it's tougher to walk away when down and you either end up with the session becoming a win or you lose even more.
    That is one bad exit strategy. I prefer a different exit strategy. My time to leave has nothing to do with my results. It has to do with heat concerns and playing conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Losing more but less frequently happens along with those losing sessions being longer in time as it's tougher to walk away when down and you either end up with the session becoming a win or you lose even more.
    Notwithstanding my prior comments, my last trip produced 2 losing sessions. One was $400, the other $1600. There certainly was a time when I would have played on to recover some of that loss. I would have either ended up losing more, or we would have reduced my loss, possibly producing a profit.

    With regards to the $400 loss, I walked away because I thought it a good idea for the house to book a win. I had been creaming them. With regards to the $1600 loss, not only was I hungry and needing lunch, I thought it a good idea for the house to book a win. I had been creaming them.

    I never start a session with the intention of losing. If I'm behind, and if it's a good idea to leave - I leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Notwithstanding my prior comments, my last trip produced 2 losing sessions. One was $400, the other $1600. There certainly was a time when I would have played on to recover some of that loss. I would have either ended up losing more, or we would have reduced my loss, possibly producing a profit.

    With regards to the $400 loss, I walked away because I thought it a good idea for the house to book a win. I had been creaming them. With regards to the $1600 loss, not only was I hungry and needing lunch, I thought it a good idea for the house to book a win. I had been creaming them.

    I never start a session with the intention of losing. If I'm behind, and if it's a good idea to leave - I leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Freighter uses a level 3 count. Sims can be beat by gathering more information and using it in a way the sims can't.
    Oh ok. Thank you for correcting me then. I guess my misconception that he played a more simple count came from the fact the he seems to be more in the "simple count camp" when it comes to new players asking what count they should adopt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    As an example to my post 24, I used to put in lots of hours when I had my local stores. I played at or close to EV. It didn't phase me that my average dollar loss exceeded my average dollar win. I was comforted by the comments if a well known respected poster, who suggested that was his trend etc. I always had a high win rate, most of it natural, not manipulated. The high win rate compensated for the higher dollar loss than win factor, and I was happy.

    Somewhere along the line, I jotted on paper my average win loss dollar amounts against varying win percentage rates, then looked again by evening the average win loss dollar amount, then worked different win percentage rates against lower average dollar losses. The cumulative effects were staggering.

    To make a long story short, I worked at incorporating ideas and adopted strategies that would help me do this. The results, still short term, maybe a year, are a reduced dollar win rate, a high percentage win rate, and a greatly reduced dollar loss rate. Effect on overall win is somewhat staggering. I think it important to note that the law of large numbers always applies, and that the traditional accepted percentage hands won, lost or tied, remains unchanged.
    Thank you for elaborating more. I`m still scratching my head a bit so I`m going to have to read your posts again. I think it was detailed enough to send me in the right direction though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SplitFaceDisaster View Post
    I guess my misconception that he played a more simple count came from the fact the he seems to be more in the "simple count camp" when it comes to new players asking what count they should adopt.
    New players should always take baby steps. Where the choose to stop is up to them. If you are happy with the results you get as a toddler, there is nothing wrong with staying a toddler. Some strive to walk, run , or even get wings. There is nothing wrong with that either.
    Quote Originally Posted by SplitFaceDisaster View Post
    Thank you for elaborating more. I`m still scratching my head a bit so I`m going to have to read your posts again. I think it was detailed enough to send me in the right direction though.
    Don't try to maximize EV. Giving up a little EV or even SCORE for more certain results is usually a good idea in my book. But that is all a matter of preference. In the long run we are all heading for almost the same place. How crazy things get along the way is the main difference between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    New players should always take baby steps. Where the choose to stop is up to them. If you are happy with the results you get as a toddler, there is nothing wrong with staying a toddler. Some strive to walk, run , or even get wings. There is nothing wrong with that either.
    Don't try to maximize EV. Giving up a little EV or even SCORE for more certain results is usually a good idea in my book. But that is all a matter of preference. In the long run we are all heading for almost the same place. How crazy things get along the way is the main difference between the two.

    I agree with both. To the second point, I do use RA indices in certain circumstances. I know that`s only part of what can be done though.

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