Is This a Heat Sink ???

[DSchles]

This fake phone call seems risky unless you're a really good actor (and even then). I mean, if surveillance has their eye on you already for one reason or another, they'll easily be able to see your phone wasn't even ringing. I'm fascinated it works for so many of you; I haven't even tried it (nor will I, I don't think). I usually just try and use what the environment gives me. Heck, if I get a (real) phone call and the count is negative, even if it isn't quite as negative as my wong-out point, I'll take advantage of it and use the real call. If I get text messages, I can use those. If I make it back from the bathroom early, I can use the fact that people are winning a lot or losing a lot as reason to wait out till the shuffle (either as a "you're welcome" or "uh oh... no no, leave me out of it"; standard gambler superstition stuff, though make sure to only use one or the other in a given session... using opposing superstitions is obviously ill-advised). Are ploppies sitting out hands due to luck and flow of cards a lot at the table? I'll take advantage of that at REALLY low counts and do what the ploppies are doing already (and come back in after it is back up, but only after a round that looks like a RC killer with a few tens in it.

Doing "fake" stuff just seems like it is asking for trouble and a giveaway. That said, you all seem to be saying it works, so maybe I'm just super risk-averse as far as cover goes. ;-)

True story: I was playing in the HL pit at Caesars A.C., which was on the first floor, buried in the heart of the casino. One day, I pulled the fake call ploy and got up to answer my "call." I returned to the table after a few minutes (I had remained in the pit, waiting for the shoe to end), and the pit boss actually came over to me and said: "Just curious as to what cell phone provider you have, because I've never heard of one that is able to give service in here. I've never seen anyone's phone work in here."

So yes, it pays to be careful.

Don

[Three]

I usually just try and use what the environment gives me.

This. I have a dozen different reasons that I have manufactured to use. They all use environmental things you have to interact with in life and in the casino. The frequency of use for any of them must fit reality. Unfortunately the EITS is tougher to fool. Being unpredictable helps. Like don't always do anything.

[CountinCanadian]

True story: I was playing in the HL pit at Caesars A.C., which was on the first floor, buried in the heart of the casino. One day, I pulled the fake call ploy and got up to answer my "call." I returned to the table after a few minutes (I had remained in the pit, waiting for the shoe to end), and the pit boss actually came over to me and said: "Just curious as to what cell phone provider you have, because I've never heard of one that is able to give service in here. I've never seen anyone's phone work in here."

So yes, it pays to be careful.

Don

Hahaha, I'm curious to hear what you responded to that?

[Three]

I remember when most casinos blocked cell phone signals, either by design or just the buildings configuration.

[hypercube]

overthinking this, you dont owe anyone any explanation, nor is the casino wanting one from you, if you want a break, bathroom, food, cell phone, slots, whatever just stand up and walk away, maybe mentioning you will be back in a few, so they know you are leaving your chips there. What you shouldnt do is wong out for a few rounds at a time while staying at the table.

If the casino has an issue with you leaving the table too often, it is one stink of a sweat shop with no customer service and you shouldnt be playing there anyway, its perfectly normal for patrons to have to leave the table from time to time for a variety of reasons, no explanation is needed, just dont do it every shoe.

Coming up with all these explanations and excuses just makes you look suspicious, does a grown up need to ask permission to use the restroom?, by not giving an explanation and just carrying out what you want to do tells the casino, you expect to be treated like an adult and with respect, there shouldnt be any questioning.

If your going to be away longer than 15 mins or so and its busy its polite to color your chips out so someone else can use the spot, some casinos will care about this, they dont want to babysit your chips for extended periods and if busy it a spot that could be making them money.

[Gronbog]

When making/taking a fake call, make sure your phone won't ring if you get a real call.

[DSchles]

Hahaha, I'm curious to hear what you responded to that?

I think I said something to the effect that it was Verizon, and yes, the voice was cutting in and out, but I was able to finish the call.

Don

[DSchles]

When making/taking a fake call, make sure your phone won't ring if you get a real call.

Part of the drill: phone has to be on vibrate. You can't fake an incoming call without asserting, if need be, that no one hears it because the phone is on vibrate.

Don

[Bubbles]

Doing fake things like fake phone calls doesn't work for me. I find other, more natural, things to use for wonging.

I'm very good at timing my bathroom breaks so I return during shuffle. It's not something I especially try to do, it just almost always happens. I just went on one of these breaks. The ploppies, bless them, all waited for me to return. Ffs. That was awkward. At least these ploppies didn't mind me hitting my 12 v 6 and not splitting 4,4 v 5.

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[CountinCanadian]

Doing fake things like fake phone calls doesn't work for me. I find other, more natural, things to use for wonging.

I'm very good at timing my bathroom breaks so I return during shuffle. It's not something I especially try to do, it just almost always happens. I just went on one of these breaks. The ploppies, bless them, all waited for me to return. Ffs. That was awkward. At least these ploppies didn't mind me hitting my 12 v 6 and not splitting 4,4 v 5.

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If you're hitting 12 v 6 shouldn't you have been wonging out again?

[Three]

If you're hitting 12 v 6 shouldn't you have been wonging out again?

Not necessarily if you use an ace neutral playing count. You may have a quite big bet out.

[tomf23]

True story: I was playing in the HL pit at Caesars A.C., which was on the first floor, buried in the heart of the casino. One day, I pulled the fake call ploy and got up to answer my "call." I returned to the table after a few minutes (I had remained in the pit, waiting for the shoe to end), and the pit boss actually came over to me and said: "Just curious as to what cell phone provider you have, because I've never heard of one that is able to give service in here. I've never seen anyone's phone work in here."

So yes, it pays to be careful.


Don

i'm not sure how long ago this was, but these days if the room has wifi just say the call went through on wifi calling should something like this happen.

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My question: in the future (with a good dealer) instead of officially leaving should I request him/her to reserve my spot by feigning a bathroom break (and leave some chips to secure my place)… then timing it to come back to a new shoe? Or, is this too long, and becomes a “heat sink”?

Note: the approximate time per shoe (4.5/6) is about 12 mins, so (in my case) with only 2 decks in discard tray leaving 2.5 decks yet to be played of the 4.5 decks = 55% of shoe yet to be played = 0.55 * 12 min = 6.7 mins of reserving my spot. This, in reality, is a long bathroom break (or perhaps it was severe intestinal distress??). Probably not a good move if “the house is a rockin”.

A 5 to 10 minute break should never be a problem. I have taken breaks up to 25 to 30 minutes leaving my chips on the table to save my spot. If I know my break is going to be a long one, I do not leave a lot of chips on the table. I will only leave maybe something like $50.

Now here is a warning. On several occasions I have taken a long break and when I came back to the table my chips were gone. The pit crew chewed my ass out for being gone so long, and then they told me security has taken my chips to the cashier's cage and I would have to go there to get them back. Another reason to not leave a lot of chips on the table and to know how much you do leave on the table. Never had a problem getting my chips back at the cashier's cage. After a couple of times of this didn't even bother to go to cashier's cage right away. I would just buy in again and sit down if an open seat and claim I was only gone for less than 15 minutes.