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    Question Ace + 10 not counted as a Blackjack

    Good evening lads. There is a casino close to my place, where a combination of an Ace and a 10 doesn't pay as it should (3:2), but 1:1, like a normal winning hand. It's a European 6-deck NHC, double on any hand, 3 resplits, DaS, which is quite uncommon (in a positive way) for European BJ. However, the fact that you have to get an Ace and a face card in order to get paid 3:2 kinda puts of me off. Practically 1/4 of all BJs are not BJs, thus greatly increasing the house edge. It's not as bad as a 6:5 blackjack, but still far from perfect. Should I even bother counting/playing with these rules? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by pythoid View Post
    Should I even bother counting/playing with these rules? Thanks
    Only with deep enough penetration to offset the loss of 25% of the blackjacks and my guess would be that the pen needs to be less than a deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pythoid View Post
    Should I even bother counting/playing with these rules?
    No!

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    pretty bad rule but my back of the kitchen table math suggests it should be in the range of a +0.6% to +0.7% (.5 multiplied by the probability of blackjack / 4) increase in the house edge for basic strategist. worse for counters as well I suppose. Actually that slightly understates it as well, since a hand of 21 is not a guaranteed 1 unit pay out)

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    To use the vernacular of Homie the Clown from the television show "In Living Color"... "Homie don't play that shit!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    Only with deep enough penetration to offset the loss of 25% of the blackjacks and my guess would be that the pen needs to be less than a deck.
    Costs about 0.60% for the BS player. Obviously more for the card counter.

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    Only if it offered like full ES or something... Otherwise no, terrible

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    Damn, it sucks to be a counter from Europe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pythoid View Post
    ...There is a casino close to my place, where a combination of an Ace and a 10 doesn't pay as it should (3:2), but 1:1, like a normal winning hand. ...:
    SSSSHHHHHHH!!!!!....Vega$ may hear you!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    pretty bad rule but my back of the kitchen table math suggests it should be in the range of a +0.6% to +0.7% (.5 multiplied by the probability of blackjack / 4) increase in the house edge for basic strategist. worse for counters as well I suppose. Actually that slightly understates it as well, since a hand of 21 is not a guaranteed 1 unit pay out)
    That's some dedication to answering a question. I normally use the back of a napkin. Much lighter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    ....my back of the kitchen table math...
    So did you turn the table upside down, or get underneath with a flashlight?...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by pythoid View Post
    Good evening lads. There is a casino close to my place, where a combination of an Ace and a 10 doesn't pay as it should (3:2), but 1:1, like a normal winning hand. It's a European 6-deck NHC, double on any hand, 3 resplits, DaS, which is quite uncommon (in a positive way) for European BJ. However, the fact that you have to get an Ace and a face card in order to get paid 3:2 kinda puts of me off. Practically 1/4 of all BJs are not BJs, thus greatly increasing the house edge. It's not as bad as a 6:5 blackjack, but still far from perfect. Should I even bother counting/playing with these rules? Thanks
    I live in London and play all over Europe...and have never heard of such an outlandish rule! Could you tell me by email which country?? email me at [email protected]

    Thank you..

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    I don't think posting where bad rules are found needs to be done privately.

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