Basic vs Advanced Omega II

**qhdon** · 06-15-2018, 08:48 AM

Hi guys,

What is the difference between the Basic Omega II and the Advanced Omega II?

Been trying to find the answer for hours with no luck.

Also trying to find the best counting system for a DD game that's offered near me.

H17, DAS, DOA, NS 50~54% pen depending on dealer.

I don't believe Halves is good for this game; I am trying to figure out if I want to use HO2 or AO2.

Know around 20 indices. Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks

**BJGenius007** · 06-15-2018, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by qhdon

Hi guys,

What is the difference between the Basic Omega II and the Advanced Omega II?

Been trying to find the answer for hours with no luck.

Also trying to find the best counting system for a DD game that's offered near me.

H17, DAS, DOA, NS 50~54% pen depending on dealer.

I don't believe Halves is good for this game; I am trying to figure out if I want to use HO2 or AO2.

Know around 20 indices. Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks

Never heard of Basic Omega II. As for Advanced Omega II, there are two versions, with or without ace side count. You can find the indexes for the simpler version, Advanced Omega II w/o ace side count, on the book "Blackjack for Blood". Good luck to find the one with ASC on Internet because senior AP have their lips sealed. They want casinos to milk money from junior AP.

**qhdon** · 06-15-2018, 09:30 AM

Thanks for the reply.

There is an option to choose between the basic/advanced Omega II in the CVCX stored strategies, and that's why I asked.

Been running simulations for couple hours now I think I'm going to stick with HO2 with ASC for that extra PE.

**hypercube** · 06-15-2018, 09:31 AM

Basic omega is the same count as advanced omega but has greatly reduced deviations and rounded to something like -5,0,+5 and thats all. , you can find it in his book blackjack for blood. I'm traveling right now so dont have acess to the book.

**hypercube** · 06-15-2018, 09:36 AM

my advice to you is use zen for 6D and hiOpt2 with ace side count for DD, but use hiopt2 indices for both. Hiopt 2 indices perform better than zen even when used with zen. When you switch to 6D you just drop the ace side count and add the extra 1 to the 6 and -1 for the ace.

**Gramazeka** · 06-15-2018, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by hypercube

my advice to you is use zen for 6D and hiOpt2 with ace side count for DD, but use hiopt2 indices for both. Hiopt 2 indices perform better than zen even when used with zen. When you switch to 6D you just drop the ace side count and add the extra 1 to the 6 and -1 for the ace.

Why not Halves for any game ?

**Gramazeka** · 06-15-2018, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by qhdon

I don't believe Halves is good for this game;

You are wrong !

**Three** · 06-15-2018, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Gramazeka

Why not Halves for any game ?

I agree with Gram. Halves is a powerful count. Halves is fine without any side counts, but when few decks are used side counting is not a hard addition. With just 2 decks PE can be aided by a side count or two. Just paying attention to a few little things can tweak your performance a lot with little effort.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 06-15-2018, 05:47 PM

Learn and practice one count.
I suggest Hi-Opt II for the very
best performance. The Zen Count
is very simple and easy for those
who do not or cannot study.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 06-15-2018, 05:51 PM

The game that you are referencing is a marginal game due to poor penetration.
For such a game you must use an advanced count that will provide you with a
great deal of Playing Efficiency, from which you will gain enough power to attack
this game with a reasonably "polite" 6-1 spread.

You are correct that Halves is a poor choice for this game as it has no Side-Counts.

**Jack Jackson** · 06-17-2018, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by Three

I agree with Gram. Halves is a powerful count. Halves is fine without any side counts, but when few decks are used side counting is not a hard addition. With just 2 decks PE can be aided by a side count or two. Just paying attention to a few little things can tweak your performance a lot with little effort.

I Was Wondrin' would a count with a higher BC. (such a halves) be better for a DD With 50% pen since Larger spreads are "required" to beat this game? Seems it would save you the trouble of learning more indexes too.. Or am i splitting hairs here?

**hypercube** · 06-19-2018, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Jackson

I Was Wondrin' would a count with a higher BC. (such a halves) be better for a DD With 50% pen since Larger spreads are "required" to beat this game? Seems it would save you the trouble of learning more indexes too.. Or am i splitting hairs here?

dont play 50% pen DD unless it is hand shuffle, and if it is hand shuffle ace sequence and shuffle track, and then the shallow pen helps you instead of hurts you. Other wise play 6d instead.

**Dbs6582** · 06-19-2018, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by hypercube

dont play 50% pen DD unless it is hand shuffle, and if it is hand shuffle ace sequence and shuffle track, and then the shallow pen helps you instead of hurts you. Other wise play 6d instead.

At what DD pen would you play DD over 6D pen, assuming 6D pen is 4 and 1/2 decks. I guess a better question is how poor is the pen on DD before you don’t play it? The game is H17 DAS. Would you play worse pen on DD if it is S17. Thanks.