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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    BJGenius,

    Have a friend, dressed as 'a suit', approach him when he
    is playing and whisper in his ear. "O.K. Guy. Your play
    is restricted to flat bets." No discussion, the fictitious suit
    immediately disappears.

    Almost undoubtedly, that strategy is "over the top" Just
    write him a note and when he sits down you pretend to be
    picking up a note. You simply say "I think that you dropped
    this." Of course, the content of the message is, (or should be),
    obvious.
    Content is not clear. Are you saying "As$%&le, watch your back" or "please do not enter a game when I am playing"?

    If you can't deal with someone entering a game or going from one hand to two or vice versa (I have had ploppies missed off at my dropping a hand or taking a call, etc.), Either learn or walk away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Either learn or walk away.
    Zee, you do not let a wonging interposer take your table.

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    When unwanted counters crash my shoe, I lean over and whisper, "They know I count here. If our bets correlate, they'll toss you. You'll last longer at a different table." then blush like I said something naughty so the onlookers can draw false conclusions about what I just said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    When unwanted counters crash my shoe, I lean over and whisper, "They know I count here. If our bets correlate, they'll toss you. You'll last longer at a different table." then blush like I said something naughty so the onlookers can draw false conclusions about what I just said.

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    I would never do that. If it’s your stumping grounds, you have more to lose then the traveling counter. If they get upset at you, they can out you and then leave. They’ve lost nothing...you’ve lost your hangout. The last think I want is for someone to know I’m counting at my local stores.

    With this said, I have made some exceptions. At casinos further away that I frequent less often, I’ve met some older counters I’ve shared phone numbers. One is a professor at a local college and another is a retired professor from Vegas (I’m not outing anybody because he never taught in Nevada - in fact, no where close... Vegas is where he retired). I’ve been surprised at how many college professors I’ve met who are counters. When I looked up the name of one of them, I found he had several books published that were selling on Amazon. Btw, I know it’s him because his picture is on one of the books. You’d have never known he was a prof from his act. He acted like one of the ploppies and was having a good time, and tipped bigger than me, which I don’t see often. We connected of all places in the bathroom where he told me I could be more aggresive with my spread. He told me I could go from $10 to $150 on DD and this casino wouldn’t care. He’d been playing there for 10 years and never had any heat. We were playing together late that night, and were somewhat synchronized swimmers with our betting but we could tell they didn’t know or didn’t care. We are both well known there and comped for everything. Goes to show you if you treat a casino with respect they usually treat you well back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Goes to show you if you treat a casino with respect they usually treat you well back
    I doubt very much that casinos in my area acting the same. To be safe, I would not play same table with other counter/s. No casino "nice" or stupid enough to let counters take their money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    This is a big casino. The tolerance level is $500.
    If its a big casino should be more than enough tables to go around. Confront him in the bathroom.

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    There are no unwritten laws, until there are.

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    Why don't you regale him with your theories of ASM so he dies of boredom

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    BJGenius may as well be a casino consultant with as much time he spends trying to figure out what random deck compositions you are fucked on and suggesting that casinos make those deck compositions happen. If any casino acts on this it is the dumbest stuff ever posted. The posts could cost us os much. But there is nothing to be benefited by his posts since most APs will avoid the stores they lose too regularly at. I guess he might save the dumber APs some money except for the fact that a dumb AP will probably lose anyway and his posts are sheer voodoo. What does happen is APs that believe it will blame losing on cheating rather than learning more about what they do and why they lose more frequently at some places than other places. I think the series of posts could be him trying to keep people away from his honey-holes. I know I don't have any problem winning at those casinos. My in-laws live in the area so I occasionally find myself in those casinos. I would never drive just to play them as they are too far, but when in the area anyway I often go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    BJGenius may as well be a casino consultant with as much time he spends trying to figure out what random deck compositions you are fucked on and suggesting that casinos make those deck compositions happen. If any casino acts on this it is the dumbest stuff ever posted. The posts could cost us os much. But there is nothing to be benefited by his posts since most APs will avoid the stores they lose too regularly at. I guess he might save the dumber APs some money except for the fact that a dumb AP will probably lose anyway and his posts are sheer voodoo. What does happen is APs that believe it will blame losing on cheating rather than learning more about what they do and why they lose more frequently at some places than other places. I think the series of posts could be him trying to keep people away from his honey-holes. I know I don't have any problem winning at those casinos. My in-laws live in the area so I occasionally find myself in those casinos. I would never drive just to play them as they are too far, but when in the area anyway I often go there.
    Yeah, sure three, but what about when they put it into beast mode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    Yeah, sure three, but what about when they put it into beast mode?
    They come over and check some stuff on the ASM. Just like anything else sometimes I crush it afterwards and sometimes I get crushed but it is usually in between with a slight winning bias. I got a few places that hand shuffle. When I start to let BJG get in my head I go there and the results are even more extreme. Clumps galore. My conclusion is you see the stuff you are looking for not because they happen more often but because once you are looking for it, you remember when it happens like it is more significant than it actually is. This memory bias is a human trait. You see every ploppyism based on it. They all swear that what the fear will happen happens far more frequently than it does, because when it doesn't happen they pay it no mind but when it does happen they use it as proof the ploppyism is a fact. I have had some say that taking a hit when the dealer has a bust card up ALWAYS hurts them without exception. Trying to explain anything to someone whose observations are so lopsided is a waste of time. They explain others doing well as the ASM not being in beast mode when they do well and it being in beast mode when they do poorly. Never mind that beast mode is an invention in their own mind based on an observation bias.

    These people aren't even smart enough to not play because they are sure they are being cheated. If I had any suspicion a casino was cheating me I wouldn't play there anymore. Why would anyone play where they are being cheated? Oh yeah, I forgot it was his local casino so he has no choice but to play there. To me, it being so handy would be the most important reason not to play there if they are cheating. I actually don't play at any of the local casinos because I don't believe in playing weak because I want to play often, and don't want to lose a chain of casinos because my local store 86ed me. I show up and do some non-counting AP stuff but I don't count cards at local casinos. As a result I have kept the closest stores handing for other AP plays that may not be automatically available when I show up. I can usually find something to make a few hundred dollars for showing up. I show up once a month, more or less, and get what I can in a short stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    Why don't you regale him with your theories of ASM so he dies of boredom
    As I said before, this particular casino's ASM is certified clump-free by me. So it is an important site for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    They come over and check some stuff on the ASM. Just like anything else sometimes I crush it afterwards and sometimes I get crushed but it is usually in between with a slight winning bias. I got a few places that hand shuffle. When I start to let BJG get in my head I go there and the results are even more extreme.
    First, I assure you I am not a casino consultant (again). I have talked to some very good Basic Strategy players (good means I saw them winning constantly) when they modified their Basic Strategy play. I ask why. They said because of the pattern coming off from ASM. So they play slightly differently when playing ASM instead of hand shuffled games. Once I also asked a guy if he did this modification against clump because he has found some information from Internet (hoping it points back to me). But the old guy said he just developed the modified strategy by himself naturally after playing a lot of ASM. My conclusion is that people do adapt to their circumstances, especially non-counter world. For me, after two or three years, now I have a list of casinos I feel safe to play even they use ASM exclusively. I blame this on RFID technology. I have never encountered unusual clumping even they began to appear in early 1990's until RFID became very popular in 2012. The simple solution is to play at the casinos you have the winning records. At one time, I want to get revenge from a casino I kept losing and hope the variance will even out. That is a big mistake for me.

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