Mohegan Sun Ct goes 6:5.

[paymypush]

Paymypush, can you explain how the pit personnel and dealers are lying? From the information you provided, it sounds pretty clear why these players are playing at the 6:5 tables. These tables have a lower table minimum. Is there something else I’m missing? I understand 6:5 is bad, but it’s common practice for casinos to make the odds worse for the tables with lower minimums.

Since most these people are going to lose all their money regardless if they play 3:2 or 6:5, it really doesn’t matter which game they play. Even though 6:5 has worst odds, I expect their money will last a little longer on the 6:5 tables since the min is lower. I remember playing in Vegas about 20 years ago on a $1 or $2 table. I didn’t know how bad the rules were until I tried to split or double and they wouldn’t let me. I think it paid 3:2 but about everything else was off limits. It didn’t take me long to move to a higher limit table, like $5, where I got to do something. Lol

"The dealer breaks more often in a H17 game". While true, I call that a lie of omission as it leads players to believe that it is the better game.

"We increased the payout on a couple of the dealer matches and that makes up for the 6:5". A shameless attempt to get more play on the side bet.

"You only get a blackjack every 50 or 60 hands".

"You will get more blackjacks with 8 decks than with 6 decks".

Remember, 4 short weeks ago the entire casino was 6 decks, S17 and 3:2. I guess everyone was spoiled.

[Dbs6582]

"The dealer breaks more often in a H17 game". While true, I call that a lie of omission as it leads players to believe that it is the better game.

"We increased the payout on a couple of the dealer matches and that makes up for the 6:5". A shameless attempt to get more play on the side bet.

"You only get a blackjack every 50 or 60 hands".

"You will get more blackjacks with 8 decks than with 6 decks".

Remember, 4 short weeks ago the entire casino was 6 decks, S17 and 3:2. I guess everyone was spoiled.

Thanks! That helps. I doubt if it’s matters much what they tell a ploppy, they will play anything as long as it has a low table minimum. Btw, I wonder if the dealers are lying on purpose. I’ve heard some give some very bad advice to ploppies, but it wasn’t because they were lying. They believed what they were saying. Dealers - and even some pit critters - are sometimes as clueless as the ploppies.

[LVBear584]

Thanks! That helps. I doubt if it’s matters much what they tell a ploppy, they will play anything as long as it has a low table minimum. Btw, I wonder if the dealers are lying on purpose. I’ve heard some give some very bad advice to ploppies, but it wasn’t because they were lying. They believed what they were saying. Dealers - and even some pit critters - are sometimes as clueless as the ploppies.

"Lying on purpose" fits within the standard job requirements of most public-facing casino employees; no reason to think they're not doing it. However, I agree there's a slim possibility of the more-charitable explanation being correct in some cases -- that some of the employees are simply stupid and/or ignorant rather than outright liars. Others may just parrot whatever they've heard, not caring whether it's accurate or not, and not having the gumption to find out on their own.

[paymypush]

At least I haven't heard them say that 6:5 is bigger than 3:2.

[Dbs6582]

About six months ago, I played at a casino I hadn’t played at before in the southern part of my state and they had half 6:5 and half 3:2 tables and they were all $10 mins. I think the number or decks (6) and rules were the same for both games. I didn’t know this at the time as I was going from table to table back counting. I wonged in with a good count and proceeded to get bj shortly after that and got paid 6:5. I was shocked and asked what was going on, but sure enough across the felt it said 6:5. I just hadn’t noticed it when I sat down. I then left the table and noticed there were both tables at this casino, sitting right next to each other. I talked to a pit critter asking him why they did this. He didn’t know. I also asked him why would anybody be so dumb to play a 6:5 when 3:2 was one table over with the same table min. I think the games had different side bets, but I didn’t pay attention to this since I don’t play them. He also didn’t know why people played at a 6:5 table. You might say he wasn’t much help. I walked around for a while watching the action and noticed as many people playing on the 6:5 tables as the 3:2 tables. It didn’t seem like any of the ploppies cared which table they were on. I obviously fit that boat too, at least until I saw I made a mistake and was playing ta a 6:5 table. Btw, I made about $100 in the short time I played the 6:5 table but I know this is meaningless. The count was pretty good when I wonged in so I was probably playing with an advantage, but that’s not the point.

i haven’t been back there but looking back on it, I wonder if this was a test the casino was doing to see how players responded to 6:5. If this was a test case, it doesn’t seem like the ploppies cared. My guess is the next time I go back, they will have more 6:5 tables.

[JamesonDetroit]

I then left the table and noticed there were both tables at this casino, sitting right next to each other. I talked to a pit critter asking him why they did this. He didn’t know.

My guess is it increases the overall EV for the pit while keeping seats/tables accessible for smart players (the ones who know and care about the payouts) rather than effectively showing them all the door. Want a better hold for a pit? Add a couple 6:5 tables. No reason necessarily to switch all at once, especially if both tables still get traffic.

[BoSox]

I walked around for a while watching the action and noticed as many people playing on the 6:5 tables as the 3:2 tables. It didn’t seem like any of the ploppies cared which table they were on.

I am sure if you took the trouble and asked a few players who were playing the 6:5 tables instead of the 3:2 tables you would have heard 6:5 is far greater than 3:2.

[paymypush]

My guess is it increases the overall EV for the pit while keeping seats/tables accessible for smart players (the ones who know and care about the payouts) rather than effectively showing them all the door. Want a better hold for a pit? Add a couple 6:5 tables. No reason necessarily to switch all at once, especially if both tables still get traffic.

That is exactly what the new Hard Rock in Atlantic City did. There are two separate pits of 7 tables each. Both have 4 ASMs and 3 CSMs. There are no hand shuffled games on the main floor. Those CSMs were up to $50 minimums last Saturday night and were getting plenty of play.

What's interesting is that the ASMs in these 2 pits only are 6 decks while the rest of the main floor is 8 decks. There is one S17 pit at higher minimums but they are 8 decks.

I'm wondering if they have those pits at 6 decks because they were afraid that someone would try to jam 8 decks into the one2six machine.

[refinery]

Hey pay - would you mind emailing me? [email protected]
Thanks!

[Kenny322]

I just came back from MS and will never play blackjack at that casino again - well - perhaps the $15's but they said dealer can hit a soft 17. That stinks. And to show how stupid people are, people were betting more than $10 on the 6-5 tables. All we can do is stop playing. Eventually MS will bring back real blackjack.

Now, will Springfield have real blackjack (3-2, Stand on all 17's and offer early surrender)?
Will they have at least a few low min tables for us casual players with real blackjack rules?
Otherwise, I can live without playing blackjack.

If a casino offers what I consider normal rules. they would clean up. 0.3% of a lot is better than 2% or whatever it is of nothing.

[paymypush]

I just came back from MS and will never play blackjack at that casino again - well - perhaps the $15's but they said dealer can hit a soft 17. That stinks. And to show how stupid people are, people were betting more than $10 on the 6-5 tables. All we can do is stop playing. Eventually MS will bring back real blackjack.

Now, will Springfield have real blackjack (3-2, Stand on all 17's and offer early surrender)?
Will they have at least a few low min tables for us casual players with real blackjack rules?
Otherwise, I can live without playing blackjack.

If a casino offers what I consider normal rules. they would clean up. 0.3% of a lot is better than 2% or whatever it is of nothing.

I'm expecting Springfield to be similar to the joke that Mohegan Sun has become. It's MGM after all. Maybe a little better penetration. Some of the MS pit crew have actually used MGM as an excuse for what they've done.

We'll find out August 24th and I'll be there so you won't have to. I usually focus on blackjack but if anyone has other questions I'll be happy to look into them.

Early surrender? When Vegas freezes over.

[tomf23]

I just came back from MS and will never play blackjack at that casino again - well - perhaps the $15's but they said dealer can hit a soft 17. That stinks. And to show how stupid people are, people were betting more than $10 on the 6-5 tables. All we can do is stop playing. Eventually MS will bring back real blackjack.

Now, will Springfield have real blackjack (3-2, Stand on all 17's and offer early surrender)?
Will they have at least a few low min tables for us casual players with real blackjack rules?
Otherwise, I can live without playing blackjack.

If a casino offers what I consider normal rules. they would clean up. 0.3% of a lot is better than 2% or whatever it is of nothing.

there is no chance they offer early surrender

[paymypush]

The 6:5 tables now total 42. This is not even worth posting and I wasn't going to until I saw the 4 latest tables in the Casino Of The Sky.

These four, and only these four, 6:5 tables are S17. You can't even get S17 on a $25 minimum table yet there they are. I realize that there are a few tables with the Barrett-Jackson logo that are S17 but those are scheduled to re felted to H17. The felts were ordered months ago and had to be used to promote the show. Can the casino possibly think that a player will see the S17 and ignore the 6:5 on those four tables?

There may be an opportunity here for the ambitious types who like to scout. Relief dealers are making a lot of mistakes by not having the same games. More than a few rotate between S17, H17, 3:2, 6:5 and even Spanish 21. I know I enjoy getting paid on my natural before the dealer checks his hand.