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    Curious.

    What's more troubling or intrusive a call from surveillance to pit? Or a pit calling to surveillance? I ask a very nonsense question. But what's your opinion?

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    I like the question..

    In my (non-expert) opinion, a call from pit to surveillance would be more troubling. The trigger for the casino determining you're a counter is when the pit crew calls surveillance to check your play.

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    In fact, you should be watching the pit while playing. If they go to phone and make a call, watch their eyes, if they look toward you while on the phone then you are the subject of their call. Govern yourself accordingly.
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    In general, call down IMO but not much difference. Easiest/most certain to be about you, and more likely that call was made by someone with a clue, and less likely to be primarily a procedural call. Often enough the call up can simply be procedural at a certain action or buy in amount, not that calls about you are ever a good thing but it’s less of an immediate concern if you can distinguish the difference. If you’re a known face/name regionally, call down will nail you a bit more often.
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    I just learned this lesson again on my trip last week to LV -

    I'm about a half hour into my session and PC started watching me closely, which I found odd because I hadn't spread too much at that point. Then PC goes to phone and I'm still stupidly thinking that I'm being paranoid and it couldn't be me.

    So I decide to play my next shoe like somewhat of an idiot - raising my bet into a declining count just to throw them off in case it was in fact me that they were evaluating. One shoe after that, a different PC leans over to me at the table and whispers; "Sir - you're welcome to play any other game here, but no more BJ".

    So lesson learned - I was toast after the PC went to the phone. I should have just left and avoided the back off. But probably wouldn't have mattered much either way - they'd probably just match my face on the next visit and get me then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
    I just learned this lesson again on my trip last week to LV -

    I'm about a half hour into my session and PC started watching me closely, which I found odd because I hadn't spread too much at that point. Then PC goes to phone and I'm still stupidly thinking that I'm being paranoid and it couldn't be me.

    So I decide to play my next shoe like somewhat of an idiot - raising my bet into a declining count just to throw them off in case it was in fact me that they were evaluating. One shoe after that, a different PC leans over to me at the table and whispers; "Sir - you're welcome to play any other game here, but no more BJ".

    So lesson learned - I was toast after the PC went to the phone. I should have just left and avoided the back off. But probably wouldn't have mattered much either way - they'd probably just match my face on the next visit and get me then...
    Simply stated, they sweat spreaders. Don't play at sweat shops or don't spread, then you're good to go. CBJN would do well to make distinctions among those casinos that take action and those that are paranoid-after all, they are part of the conditions. Are you listening Al Rogers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
    I'm about a half hour into my session and PC started watching me closely, which I found odd because I hadn't spread too much at that point. Then PC goes to phone and I'm still stupidly thinking that I'm being paranoid and it couldn't be me.
    ...
    So lesson learned - I was toast after the PC went to the phone. I should have just left and avoided the back off. But probably wouldn't have mattered much either way - they'd probably just match my face on the next visit and get me then...
    Yeah, I was reminded as well a couple weeks ago to listen to my sixth sense. I had a similar "I feel like I'm about to get backed off, but there would be no reason so far why that would be the case..." so I decided to stick around and play conservatively/"bad" for a little. Sure enough, a couple minutes and I'm approached with same message, "any other game."

    In general I'm very sensitive to that tingly sense of me approaching their level of discomfort and getting out before they hit me, but decided that time to see if I had been being overly paranoid lately; turns out my senses are better attuned than I was worried and I just have to make sure to listen to them.

    Strange, in life I rarely recommend things like "trusting your gut", but apparently our brains are good at noticing some things subconsciously that it only delivers to our conscious side as a "bad" or "good feeling". If something feels off, it quite likely is.

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