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    Blackjack Bankroll Recommendation Question

    Howdy, Blackjack Peeps!

    Longtime player here, but been awhile since I posted anything. Wife just turned 30 so had a grand surprise party for her and been busy with life in general.

    Anyway, my question is regarding general blackjack casino gambling, not Tournament play. I read before that in order to not go broke at a 4-hour session 95% of time, it is recommended that one's bankroll is 40x their average bet, and to not go broke 90% of time, 30x is recommended. My question is, where is documented, mathematical evidence of this? Because lately I've been averaging $75 but only have $1K bankroll while the wifey averages ~$35-40 and her bankroll is $500 and we won in both recent trips we had, $500 most recently, and about $2K at Beau Rivage and L'. I would think having 20x average bet would be good at least 75% based on the above %'s, but curious to know the exact % just bec I dont want to bring over $2K ($2250 to be exact!) playing $75 average!

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebe View Post
    I'll avoid responding to the BS that some people decided to post cuz I'm not about wasting my time. But was wondering if someone could be nice enough to let me know what to put in those blanks? If anyone wants to know more specifics about my game then I've already posted let me know. But say my bankroll is $1000 playing $75/hand. I just wanna know how long a bankroll of 20x my average bet will last (in a 4-hour period), 25x, 15x.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    Bughousemaster,

    I did visit your website and it appears you are an industrious young man with some talents that set you apart.

    Be careful to not let that confidence from these talents spill into areas where you are very weak and most particularly blackjack.

    If you have an interest in profitable (AP) blackjack then take the earlier advice and get Blackjack Attack III, read it and then return with your questions and comments.

    Otherwise, we have heard all the wonderful things about all the blackjack systems you can imagine. We understand.

    Best of luck to you in your chess and jazz adventures.
    Thank you I appreciate your recommendation of the Bluebook but like I said before I play this game for fun and dont want to put in any work. I'll gladly play continue to play this game for the inevitable positive streaks that I will continue to have and rake in because of my positive progression I use. Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    I'll avoid responding to the BS that some people decided to post cuz I'm not about wasting my time. But was wondering if someone could be nice enough to let me know what to put in those blanks? If anyone wants to know more specifics about my game then I've already posted let me know. But say my bankroll is $1000 playing $75/hand. I just wanna know how long a bankroll of 20x my average bet will last (in a 4-hour period), 25x, 15x.

    Thank you I appreciate your recommendation of the Bluebook but like I said before I play this game for fun and dont want to put in any work. I'll gladly play continue to play this game for the inevitable positive streaks that I will continue to have and rake in because of my positive progression I use. Thanks again.
    Yawn....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    I'll gladly play continue to play this game for the inevitable positive streaks that I will continue to have and rake in because of my positive progression I use. Thanks again.
    The best advice you can get is just quit playing the game and do something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    I'll avoid responding to the BS that some people decided to post cuz I'm not about wasting my time. But was wondering if someone could be nice enough to let me know what to put in those blanks? If anyone wants to know more specifics about my game then I've already posted let me know. But say my bankroll is $1000 playing $75/hand. I just wanna know how long a bankroll of 20x my average bet will last (in a 4-hour period), 25x, 15x.



    Thank you I appreciate your recommendation of the Bluebook but like I said before I play this game for fun and dont want to put in any work. I'll gladly play continue to play this game for the inevitable positive streaks that I will continue to have and rake in because of my positive progression I use. Thanks again.
    I guess no one here can read since no one is telling me what to put in those blanks................. Sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    I guess no one here can read since no one is telling me what to put in those blanks................. Sigh
    Okay, but 20 in the first box. You have 20 average bets. Since you are at best playing a break even game put zero in next box. I let sd remain what is there. If playing for 4 hours assume 100 hands an hour or 400 in last box. 7 out of 10 times you will go bust in 4 hours.

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    tHANKS and what would I put in the fields?

    Those fields are confusing as hell...

    and i was wanting to find actual documentation of 40x average for 95% of the time and 30x average bet good for 90% of time.... stuff like dat

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    Your question is an often asked one. To deduce an answer is not quite as simple as you may think.

    You have not provided enough information to provide an answer. To do the calculations we must know the game rules, your counting system and indexes, and the number of rounds you are playing (hours played?) and your bet ramp by true count. From that information we can get your average bet, your win/loss rate, your standard deviation. Then we can determine your risk of ruin (RoR).

    Making assumptions from reading between the lines, you may be playing without counting and perhaps without basic strategy. If so, then you are not playing a winning game and have a 100% chance of losing all of your money in the long run. In the short term, you may win or lose based on the standard deviation that results from you betting and playing decisions.

    I know this does not answer your question but hopefully will allow you to re-frame the question with enough data to give you a meaningful response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    Your question is an often asked one. To deduce an answer is not quite as simple as you may think.

    You have not provided enough information to provide an answer. To do the calculations we must know the game rules, your counting system and indexes, and the number of rounds you are playing (hours played?) and your bet ramp by true count. From that information we can get your average bet, your win/loss rate, your standard deviation. Then we can determine your risk of ruin (RoR).

    Making assumptions from reading between the lines, you may be playing without counting and perhaps without basic strategy. If so, then you are not playing a winning game and have a 100% chance of losing all of your money in the long run. In the short term, you may win or lose based on the standard deviation that results from you betting and playing decisions.

    I know this does not answer your question but hopefully will allow you to re-frame the question with enough data to give you a meaningful response.

    Stealth
    Thanks for your reply.

    I actually dont count indeed, however, I play flawless BS and even employ offensive/defensive hand interaction as often as I can and implement the Mag7 hands which increases my odds by a whopping 0.03% but because of my aggressive offensive/defensive hand interaction, am literally playing a 50/50 game or even slightly in my advantage. I do everything to my advantage except count, and I'm totally okay with that because I go to the casino to RELAX and dont want to clutter my mind on something that isn't even 100% guaranteed. You can be the best card counter in the world but still lose because when you pumped your bet up to the max you got shit cards and the dealer ended up getting that 20 or 21. But as blackjack is an extremely volatile game, I'm totally aware of this and would rather take advantage of this positive streaks that have occurred time and time again since my playing this game for the last 15 years. I've won 16 hands in a row before, 9 in a row TWICE against the same dealer (on the same night!) and have won 7+ in a session too many times to count. I'm also an experienced tournament player (won clear 2nd in a major Beau Rivage tourn) and have a solid understanding of tournament strategy as well.

    I usually play at H17, 75-80% penetration, NS (except when I'm in Vegas), double/split on any, replit aces and just want to see the math on the %'s of 40x table average for 95% chance of not being ruined, 30x average bet for 90% success, and what % of the time having 20x table average would be good for. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bughousemaster View Post
    mag7 hands
    w.t.f. ?

    What kind of neologism is this Bughouse MASTER?

    I am aware that "BugHouse" is a euphemism for Psychiatric Hospital.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    w.t.f. ?

    What kind of neologism is this Bughouse MASTER?

    I am aware that "BugHouse" is a euphemism for Psychiatric Hospital.

    I pardon your ignorance. Here is my website boasting over 1M hits and ~15OO FB likes. Maybe you might learn a thing or 2 (as long as you dont start ASSuming things again, lol): www.BughouseMASTER.com

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