As the saying goes:
Don't break your fingers as you're turning the pages.
This also applies to BC: ExCAA. My reasoning is this, you have to think about things he has written. You might have to, on some things anyways, go to another book to find an explanation.
My Ability in Blackjack is a Gift from God!!
In 1962 Dr. Thorpe made public the bare-Bones of Card Counting.Originally Posted by Dbs6582
The 1966 edition revealed (to the public) the Hi-Lo Count, referenced
as the "Dubner Point Count." We never heard of Dubner, but his work
was more than derivative but Harvey Dubner's name is attached to that. Others
published various Hi-Lo style counts that were most often identical to what
went before. One author's pen-name was ... wait ...wait for it... wait for it.
"Jacques Black."
My use of the term "public" is not accidental. The public was "in the dark;
but crafty BJ players in the 1950's and 1940's were being barred ~ based
upon their play. The simple Ace-Five count was all that was needed, playing
the quotidian S17 single deck game, which was pretty much "even off the top"
the better players had approximately accurate plays someday be branded the
"Basic Strategy."
My pointing out that there's not-considerable mention of Card Counting in texts
and biographies re: Las Vegas and casinos in general. A Card Counter was not
called a counter. He would be 86'd for "casing the deck." Casino owners knew that
there were some (few) players who would seem to win rather often. That created a
conundrum, a "head-scratcher" that would result in an exclamation e.g."I don't know
how the hell you win so often and I don't care. You're cheating. Get the f*ck out"
Of course, Dr. Thorpe was a pioneer and nobody would debate that.
Julian Braun did most of the mathematical "heavy lifting" in the 1970 and 1980's when
it came to 'sims. Hi-Opt I and, especially Hi-Opt II were his finest accomplishments.
Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 05-26-2018 at 12:53 PM.
Wow, I sure got a lot of interesting responses. I most have hit a nerve with the resident APs on this site. Now they are ganging up on me, which is okay with me. At least I’m getting them to think beyond their comfort level.
As far as spreading big, this is nothing new. Did anybody listen to Joe748 GWAE podcast? He talked about going from table min to table max at casinos across United States. He also talked about how he got away with it and how this approach earned him $400,000 in his first year playing bj. There was a long thread discussing this on this forum. How do you know casinos people aren’t listening to these podcasts? I get more information about casinos from listening to GWAE podcasts than any of the forums.
Ops, I’ve now alerted the casinos about GWAE podcasts. Now we won’t be able to get away with anything. Our AP days are numbered. Lol.
As far as what I saw a counter doing at my local casino, do you really think I’d post exactly what I saw? Btw, this counter was an AP by the book. When he colored up for several thousand, he didn’t tip the dealer even one dollar. I’ve known her 10 years. She’s a beautiful African American women working for below minimum wage trying to support her kids. It’s not her fault that she chose a job where some of her pay is supposed to come from customers. This is why I will never stiff a dealer, even though I know this is a very AP thing to do.
I could just see this young AP brag to his friends how he took my local casino for thousands, while stiffing the dealer. It’s APs like this (I’m not saying they are all like this) that make me feel sorry for the casinos and dealers.
And no I’m not a casino employee and I’ve never worked in a casino. I’m a person with a heart who cares about my fellow man/women. Doing things right and tipping dealers means much more to me than my blackjack game or how much money I make playing blackjack. There is more to life than money!!!
We just figured out you are a casino spy. You have offered nothing to us, unlike the casino employees that openly post on this site. All you are doing is giving your fellow casino employees a heads up to what little you know.
Of course you should know the people working with you for 10 years. Further outing yourself.
Hating APs and sympathizing with the casino. You are making figuring out you are a spy way too easy Ds.
Denial, the final nail in coffin.
T# - as you're so fond of my pictures, here's another one:
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Three, I’m confused by your post. What information have I given casino employees that gives them a heads up? Can you be more specific? I’m pretty sure most casino employees know about card counting and that we get our advantage by spreading. Do you think saying I saw someone spread from $10 to $500 will ID someone? All this AP was doing was spreading from table min to table max. That’s done quite a bit by aggressive APs. Did you listen to Joe748 podcast on GWAE? Joe said he does this at casinos across the USA. Who knows I might have encountered Joe748 that night. It fits his style, big spread with no tipping.
Btw, when I’m at my local casino and spot a traveling AP, I usually flat bet so they don’t know I’m also a counter. It’s interesting watching their style. It’s also interesting hearing their excuses for not giving the casino their ID. One said he was just passing through visiting his grandmother when they asked him why he was in the area and wouldn’t give his ID. I thought he could have come up with something better than that. Ops, I just let out another valuable tid bit that will help the casinos know who an AP is. When they hear someone say they’re visiting their grandmother, they’ll suspect he’s a counter. It won’t be because of his outrageous spread. Lol.
As far as offering anything of value to the AP community, you’re welcome to your opinion, but it doesn’t look like it’s shared by everyone. Before I even knew what a “helpful” was, Freightman pointed out that I had quite a few “helpfuls”” for being so new to this site. It turns out Freightman is pretty obsessed by me. Whenever I check my data page, I always see he’s one of the last ones to visit it. Again, I didn’t even know this personal data existed for everyone on this site until Freighman told me about it.
Also, did you see the last post by Fran on my post on Doubling10 vs 10? He called it helpful, or something to that effect.
Freighman calls me “Mr. Contrary”. I see my views forwards casinos as unique for an AP. I do not hate or dispise casinos or their employees like so many people on this forum. I believe you can respect your opponent and still try to beat them. Casinos are a business so they try to make money. Btw, that’s what businesses do. It just so happens their business is providing negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment. I know this is a hard concept for some APs to understand. I have never known anybody that did not know “the house” has a built in advantage in every game. When the “average Joe” goes into a casino they know the situation.
I’ve actually been quite surprised at how much hate people on this forum have towards casinos. It’s not healthy and I think it contributes to some of the nastiness Zee always refers too. This is probably why so many APs call each other names.
I’ve discussed many times what type a player I am. But since you still don’t get it, I’ll try one more time. I’m a recreational player who plays on weekends as a hobby. I play mostly to unwind after a long week at work. While I play for fun, I still want to have a winning game. I’m not a gambler. I never went to casino until I got interested in bj. With this said, I enjoy the casino environment and interacting with ploppies and casino employees. I don’t hate any of them, especially the dealers who are just trying to make a living. I’m probably not a true AP since I would never stiff a dealer. Zee said it best when he said going to a casino allows him to interact with people he wouldn’t normally interact with at work.
Before I got on these forums, I got all my bj information from books. I have at least 25 bj books and I still go back and read them. The books don’t have this hate for casinos that I’ve seen on this site. The books seem to have more of a healthy respect for casinos. I thought some of Arnold Snyder’s comments in his early chapters in Blackbelt in Blackjack were excellent. It might do you some good to read these chapters.
Three, you have a lot of blackjack knowledge and I’ve appreciated when you’ve answered my questions. Thank you! I’ve learned from you. If you no longer want to answer my questions, I understand. That’s your call.
If you want to believe I work for a casino because I respect them, then that’s also your call. You’re entitled to your opinion. In the end, I don’t know why it matters. I doubt if I’m the only AP that has ever respected casinos and tipped dealers.
Last edited by Dbs6582; 05-27-2018 at 05:13 AM. Reason: Missspelled word
I am not Three but I will give my thoughts on this:
When you write about every good thing that you see taking place in your own location including lackluster oversights ect, etc it's like a slap in the face, and a time for reflection, a wake-up call, to re-evaluate and crack down on laziness. Although you want us to trust you on this one that no one important is reading the sites. If your words were true there would NOT be anyone on the boards like YOU who is willing to spill the beans all the time, but since there are in fact people like you who think they are helping the board, WHY WOULD THERE NOT BE CASINO SPIES PRESENT?
It actually is her fault is she chose that job
Unlike waiters bartenders etcost dealers don't provide a service especially to a counter.They often give bad advice,bad pen,alert the pit when you raise your bets etc.Even if you actually get a good dealer they still have to pool the tips with everyone.If youre an AP you should tip bc it helps you.
Why you mentioned that she's African American or has kids I have no idea.
No reason, other then I wanted to give a real life example of who these dealers are. I know some personally. What I said about the AP and the dealer that night was true; nothing was made up.
The NEWS does this too. They give real life examples to drive home a point.
It’s obviously your call if you don’t want me to tip dealers but understand these are real people tying to make a living. While it’s everybody's personal decision if they want to tip or not, what has surprised me is how some APs actually brag about not tipping.
I must admit it did strike a nerve in me that night when I saw this young cocky AP play at my local casino. He checked off all of the boxes for what a typical card counter looks like so I don’t need to say what he looked like.
At the end of his session, he colored up and got a couple purples and didn’t throw one chip to the dealer, not even a white one. This obviously got noticed by her and the locals. That night I tipped her (I know the tips are pooled beteeen the dealers) more than I typically do to make up for him.
This AP was a parasite in the truest sense of the word. He added no value to anyone at the casino. He was there to extract money from the casino for his own benefit. He was not going to leave one dollar to anybody there, not the waitress or the dealer. He was obnoxious, and he gave off an air of superiority to those around him. If it wasn’t for blowing my cover, I would have told the pit critters what he was doing so they could have kicked him out. I was actually surprised he got away with it for so long.
When I see this type of behavior, it hits me wrong. I enjoy the game but I don’t want to become like him. It makes me wonder if what I’m doing is right. Freightman has correctly pointed out that APs provide no value to society.
Many APs claim casinos are exploiting the poor. Assuming this is true (and for the most part I agree), I fail to see how taking money from casinos helps these people.
I don’t have the answers. I’m just throwing some things out there for the group to ponder. There are bad and good people...bad and good businesses in every industry. I think we should be careful not to type cast a whole group of people or a whole industry in a certain way. The same with APs...each one is different with their own value system. I know good ones and I’ve played with some very obnoxious bad ones.
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