Did I do it wrong?

[Dbs6582]

Should I ask the casino to give me a clip of the play? Are they recorded and kept? I am amazed that you think splitting 4 times is a rare event. I asked myself why I kept splitting and realize it was me trying to be macho. Once I split the original 8's, and then got the first 8, I should have stayed put but I let the ploppies affect me.

If I wanted to lie, I would have written it up so the dealer busted and I won all 4 bets and would never have mentioned the doubling for less. However, you guys want to make every post I make a long 5+ page thread and as a post on another forum (that disparages BJTF) says, "zee is the patsy over at that vodoo forum".

Zee, I agree it is not rare to split 8s three times. Btw, I doubt if you split them 4 times. I haven't been to a casino that allows this. I think I made the same mistake in one of my earlier posts so I get what you meant. You mean you had four 8s. Yes, that has happened to me more times than I care to remember.

Everything sounded like something that might have happen. But it was hard for me to see why you would have risked $400 on 4 hands where you knew you had a disadvantage, but then the one hand where you had an advantage you decided to risk only $50 (when the casino would allow you to risk $100). If you're going to split each time and risk more when you know you're at a disadvantage (APs know splitting 8s against a 10 is to lose less money) than why would you not double for the full amount in the one hand where you had an advantage? Doubling for the full amount on an 11 against a 10 isn't going to make the pit critters think you're an AP. This is a common double down for ploppies too. I'm pretty sure you know that. Now if you doubled a soft 19 or 20 in a high positive count that's another story.

Again, it might have happpened and you might have doubled for less on the last hand, but after this play you had to know the correct play was doubling for the full amount on an 11 vs 10. That's basically what your question came down to. That's my main point. Im pretty sure you know the correct thing to do is to double an 11 vs 10 for the full amount.

btw, it was a good post since this is the hand I dread the most and seems to happen way too often. It was interesting to see how different APs play it.

[ZeeBabar]

If you read my original post, I admitted the error in doubling for less. Frankly, I screwed up. First, I split the second time to seem tough enough for other ploppies at the table. Split once, they are watching to see if you are stupid enough or have the balls to do it again.

[Three]

First, I split the second time to seem tough enough for other ploppies at the table. Split once, they are watching to see if you are stupid enough or have the balls to do it again.

Most of the time you split once it is still there when the second split opportunity occurs. Either it was a mistake to split once or you should keep splitting. Not much room for enough of a change in the count for it to be gone by the second split opportunity, or even the third with 4 decks left.

[Dbs6582]

If you read my original post, I admitted the error in doubling for less. Frankly, I screwed up. First, I split the second time to seem tough enough for other ploppies at the table. Split once, they are watching to see if you are stupid enough or have the balls to do it again.

Zee, I'm still struggling with your logic, assuming you aren't trolling me. If you had enough balls to split multiple times when you knew you were at a disadvantage (but you also knew this was the correct play), then why didn't you have the balls to double for the full amount when you knew you had the advantage? You had already risked $400 when you knew you didn't have an advantage...and then you decided to only risk $50 when you knew you had an advantage? You got to admit that's a little hard to believe.

Btw, your story is changing in this thread. At first, you said you didn't double for the full amount to deflect heat, which made little sense. Now you're saying you screwed up. Which was it? Because we know you knows it's the right play to double on an 11 vs 10. And you know anytime you double, it should be for the full amount. This is a pretty basic. Or is just to troll...and provide an entertaining thread?

[ZeeBabar]

Zee, I'm still struggling with your logic, assuming you aren't trolling me. If you had enough balls to split multiple times when you knew you were at a disadvantage (but you also knew this was the correct play), then why didn't you have the balls to double for the full amount when you knew you had the advantage? You had already risked $400 when you knew you didn't have an advantage...and then you decided to only risk $50 when you knew you had an advantage? You got to admit that's a little hard to believe.

Btw, your story is changing in this thread. At first, you said you didn't double for the full amount to deflect heat, which made little sense. Now you're saying you screwed up. Which was it? Because we know you knows it's the right play to double on an 11 vs 10. And you know anytime you double, it should be for the full amount. This is a pretty basic. Or is just to troll...and provide an entertaining thread?

Mostly, I was chicken. I choked.

[Ryemo]

Zee, I'm still struggling with your logic, assuming you aren't trolling me...

... Now you're saying you screwed up. Which was it? Because we know you knows it's the right play to double on an 11 vs 10. And you know anytime you double, it should be for the full amount. This is a pretty basic. Or is just to troll...and provide an entertaining thread?

Welcome to the Saga of Zee. This has been going on for years.

[tomf23]

Doubling for less isn't deflecting any heat anyway

[21forme]

Welcome to the Saga of Zee. This has been going on for years.

I'm anxiously awaiting his book: Beyond Stupid, Ex CAA.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Years ago I postulated that there is a complete lack of BJ in Afghanistan;
so maybe ZeeBabar never saw a deck of cards as a pubescent youth.

[paymypush]

Should I ask the casino to give me a clip of the play? Are they recorded and kept? I am amazed that you think splitting 4 times is a rare event. I asked myself why I kept splitting and realize it was me trying to be macho. Once I split the original 8's, and then got the first 8, I should have stayed put but I let the ploppies affect me.

If I wanted to lie, I would have written it up so the dealer busted and I won all 4 bets and would never have mentioned the doubling for less. However, you guys want to make every post I make a long 5+ page thread and as a post on another forum (that disparages BJTF) says, "zee is the patsy over at that vodoo forum".

If you play long enough you'll see most everything. I just recently split a pair of 3s that went to 6 hands and it was hardly the first time. I know players that have that beat.

[Banker]

This must be the 3rd or 4th thread, on various forums, I see about Zee splitting 8s against 10 and losing and wondering if it was wrong. Given the frequency of his play and the frequency of losing a bet on split 8, software could be made to predict how often such thread will appear. The more funnier is the vast amount of similar responses every time.

[ZeeBabar]

Norm, hopefully you will look at the OP and note the posters who do not address the OP, log to attack the poster. Experts who already know everything there is to know about BJ and mostly come on to add pages and pages about me. Sad.

They claim to have learned a lot from Don or you but cannot seem to learn how and when to respond to a thread.

I have long believed full time AP's (those are the ones who make the post about me) become a$%&oles and threads like this prove it.

[Midwest Player]

Zee, as far as I'm concerned, it was a good question on blackjack. There were a couple of good answers. I could not recall the index for this play myself. I thought it was +6, and not plus 8. I figured it was high enough to not worry about. Since I play a DAS game I almost always split 8's.

By the way, just in the last year I was in the same situation. I actually got 5 eights in a row on DD. They would only let me split to four hands and one was a double. I lost them all.