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    is this rule beatable?

    hi nice to see you guys

    i hope you guys understanding my poor english

    I am trying to learning card counting(hi-low) for beat black jack

    i started this game before 2weeks

    and now I played only basic and counthing (not so good but still learning)


    rule is
    8 deck half of whole deck

    and every game have a 1burn card

    any card double ,

    double after split ,

    ACE 4 TIME RESPLIT,

    DEALER BJ PUSH WITH PLAYER 21!!

    AND 777 any suited 21 2 to 1

    european style black jack (no hole card)

    and do you guys know about dead chip program?

    we called it rolling program

    we pay back 1.2% all dead chip like if I bet 100USD win just same I get 100USD

    but when I loss 100USD we get 1.2$

    so I will start in black jack with

    minimum is 20$ to 50$ i can choose but I have to 2hand can not play single hand(if played someone else I can play single hand)

    wizard of vegas calculater tell me on this rulls house edge is 0.37% on hand cutting shoe

    (exclude 777,and dealer bj push wiht players 21 so I thinks less then 0.37)

    and I got the dead chip program reduce the edge 0.522% on wizard of macau

    so I think this casino is beatable

    and on this optiong no.2 rules what is the best counting program and what is the best basic startage?

    and my bankroll is 27000USD

    how can I split this much money

    how about todays win cut

    and loss cut?
    Last edited by gamblerkwon; 05-13-2018 at 12:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamblerkwon View Post
    wizard of vegas calculater tell me on this rulls house edge is 0.37% on hand cutting shoe
    Quote Originally Posted by gamblerkwon View Post
    and I got the dead chip program reduce the edge 0.522% on wizard of macau
    You appear to be saying the player has a 0.152% edge off the top. If so of course it is beatable with no counting and basic strategy.

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    Three,

    Your question focuses this thread.

    I believe that the O.P. has slipped a decimal point

    Perhaps it is 0.0522%

    That makes the H.E.
    0.32%

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    Is not a 1.2% money back on a loss around 0.6% on all hands ?
    And negative House Edge off the top exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    Are you saying penetration is 50% on your 8D game??
    I imagine the pen is 7.5/8. That is what they mean concerning 50% of whole deck (half of a pack of cards cut off from the shoe.)

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    I get a .47784% house edge assuming this is a S17 game, and assuming OP meant double on any two initial cards. I am not counting the 777 or player 21 push with BJ rules.

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    half of whole deck probably means . 4/8 ! . the OP stated he/she is poor in English and may not know the difference between deck and shoe .

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    After 8 posts, everyone is guessing. Might be an idea to have the OP clarify himself. I'm sure that regardless if any language difficulties that may exist, he will manage to make his intentions known.

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    Okay, I'll give it a shot and ignore my prior comments.

    ENHC, DAS, RSA, DA2, NSR, 7.5/8, 1.2% rebate in losses only, heads up is 2x50 min, with table mates 1x20, USD, 27k USD bankroll.

    Eyeball sim, not counting tie in 21 tie with dealer bj and 777 bonus equates to approx .7 house edge before rebate, reducing he to approx .1.

    This game is easily crushable. Danger for the OP though, playing heads up requiring 2x50 min bet as max bet will break him with bad variance. My $.02.

    Further danger to the OP as he states he is inexperienced, and likely lacks seasoning and index knowledge. He should play this game, assuming im right on the 2x50 min heads up, to play with 1 or 2 tablemates (bankroll considerations).
    Last edited by Freightman; 05-13-2018 at 04:27 PM.

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    Of course, if he failed to mention surrender, positive off the top. I would like to know where this game is.

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    yes whole shoe? 8deck penetration 50%

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Three,

    Your question focuses this thread.

    I believe that the O.P. has slipped a decimal point

    Perhaps it is 0.0522%

    That makes the H.E.
    0.32%
    what is that mean o.p? was it over play? [/QUOTE]



    [QUOTE=ZenMaster_Flash;249212]

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamblerkwon View Post
    hi nice to see you guys

    i hope you guys understanding my poor english

    I am trying to learning card counting(hi-low) for beat black jack

    i started this game before 2weeks

    and now I played only basic and counthing (not so good but still learning)


    rule is
    8 deck half of whole deck

    and every game have a 1burn card

    any card double ,

    double after split ,

    ACE 4 TIME RESPLIT,

    DEALER BJ PUSH WITH PLAYER 21!!

    AND 777 any suited 21 2 to 1

    european style black jack (no hole card)

    and do you guys know about dead chip program?

    we called it rolling program

    we pay back 1.2% all dead chip like if I bet 100USD win just same I get 100USD

    but when I loss 100USD we get 1.2$

    so I will start in black jack with

    minimum is 20$ to 50$ i can choose but I have to 2hand can not play single hand(if played someone else I can play single hand)

    wizard of vegas calculater tell me on this rulls house edge is 0.37% on hand cutting shoe

    (exclude 777,and dealer bj push wiht players 21 so I thinks less then 0.37)

    and I got the dead chip program reduce the edge 0.522% on wizard of macau

    so I think this casino is beatable

    and on this optiong no.2 rules what is the best counting program and what is the best basic startage?

    and my bankroll is 27000USD

    how can I split this much money

    how about todays win cut

    and loss cut?

    in what country do you play?


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