How to Approach a Situation?

**Bushie** · 04-06-2018, 10:00 PM

So I've identified a fellow AP who seemingly has a rudimentary grasp of counting but lacks the knowledge of the finer details. I say this because he'll play perfect BS but when the count gets decently good 1/2 to 3/4 through the shoe he'll jump from 1 minimum bet of $15 to the whole table of 7 boxes with $200 in each ($1400). This obviously nukes the count within a round or two, the dealer tends to mop up the low cards after the high card slog (rarely busts) and covariance with that many boxes neuters most of the advantage gleaned through ramping that he had anyway. Obviously when playing with him (it was just the two of us at the table) it meant that I couldn't capitalise on good counts that much because I'd only get 2, maybe 3 rounds in before they disappear again.

I came close to just outright saying that if you want to spread big and be within the table limit ($500) that you're better off going to 3 boxes max instead. But it's his money and I have no right to dictate to him.

So my question is; what would be the best way to approach this situation? It cost me quite a few advantageous rounds and although I managed to walk away with a profit that was about on par with my EV p/hr, I got the feeling that this crazy spreading of his probably cost me quite a bit of profit..

**Ryemo** · 04-06-2018, 10:05 PM

Don’t play at his table. Problem solved.

**Bushie** · 04-06-2018, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ryemo

Don’t play at his table. Problem solved.

Which isn't an option sadly. I should have said that.

**JamesonDetroit** · 04-06-2018, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Bushie

Which isn't an option sadly. I should have said that.

... why not? Even if there is one table, come back to the casino when he isn't there. :-/ Either way, they'll probably cut him off soon so he'll be out of the question entirely before long. Doing anything with him that involves helping him improve his play strategy or making it better for your counting can only hurt (and potentially compromise) your image.

I say, treat it like any other table with bad conditions (rules, heat, or otherwise) and leave.

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**Freightman** · 04-06-2018, 10:57 PM

Oh, and I should add - if you know he's going to be there - have a couple bowls of chill with hot sauce, some devilled eggs with a few beers prior to play. Make sure you have done stomach rumblings before joining him. Smile, non challantly as you commence play, allowing him the privledge and pleasure of partaking the joy of your essence.

Not as a part of the gambit - if you feel a wet one coming, don't take a chance, take a bathroom break.

You may thank Jean Luc Picard, aka Locutus of Borg, for this particular lesson in advanced tactics.

**BJGenius007** · 04-08-2018, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bushie

Which isn't an option sadly. I should have said that.

If you saw him already in the casino, just leave. Don't tell me it is not an option, either. If you are so bothered by his action, you are not as a nice guy as you think you are. He has the rights to play his money any way he wants and it is not very wise for him to play BJ this way. I don't think he can continue to do so in long term. So your problem will resolve by itself very soon.

**Dbs6582** · 04-09-2018, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by BJGenius007

If you saw him already in the casino, just leave. Don't tell me it is not an option, either. If you are so bothered by his action, you are not as a nice guy as you think you are. He has the rights to play his money any way he wants and it is not very wise for him to play BJ this way. I don't think he can continue to do so in long term. So your problem will resolve by itself very soon.

BJGenius007, I agree with the first part of your post, but that last part made no sense. As you've said, he has the right to play his money any way he wants to as long as he stays within the casino's rules. I'm surprised so many people on this forum called him out for spreading since we've all taken on the wrath of the ploppy for spreading in the middle of a shoe. It sounded to me like there was a lot of hypocrisy in some of the responces. Just as we have the right to spread, he has the right to spread. It doesn't matter if he's spreading to 2, 3, 4 or 7 hands. If the casino allows it, he has the right to do it. It's his money. Case closed.

As far as your last point, it made no sense, and sounded like vodoo logic. When is getting more money on the table in positive counts "not very wise". Why do you not think he can NOT win like this in the "long term"? There is no mention of the size of his bankroll. Assuming this guy has the bankroll to support this level of betting, the "long term" is this guy's friend; it's not his enemy. If he does this in the long term and gets away with it, he will be very wealthy.

The reseon this thread struck a nerve with me is because I never read so many posts by APs I typically respect make so many comments that made no sense and boarded on ploppy logic. The exception was RC. It was good to see one AP that got it.

The logic from some of the APs was so inconsistent, I wondered if they even understood what they were writing. Some thought it would have made sense if this counter had spread to 7 X $500 rather than 7 X $200. This means if this guy had risked $3,500 rather than $1,400 on one round then all of a sudden his play made sense. What can logic is this?

**refinery** · 04-09-2018, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Dbs6582

Some thought it would have made sense if this counter had spread to 7 X $500 rather than 7 X $200. This means if this guy had risked $3,500 rather than $1,400 on one round then all of a sudden his play made sense. What can logic is this?

You really need it spelled out? BJA3 solved this very clearly.

**Freightman** · 04-09-2018, 06:56 AM

Methinks various neural pathways of some posters are clogged. I have no further interest in this thread.

**Dbs6582** · 04-09-2018, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by therefinery

You really need it spelled out? BJA3 solved this very clearly.

My point isn't which ones better. It's obviously best to get as much money on the table as possible in positive counts. Yes, betting 7 X $500 gets the most money on the table. But his bankroll also needs to be considered. We have no information on his bankroll. How do the people speculating that he should bet 7 X $500 know he has the bankroll to support this betting level? I've read BJA3 serval times, and I saw no mention of how big this counter bankroll was. This information isn't in BJA3. Only this counter knows the size of his bankroll.

**Freightman** · 04-09-2018, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Dbs6582

My point isn't which ones better. It's obviously best to get as much money on the table as possible in positive counts. Yes, betting 7 X $500 gets the most money on the table. But his bankroll also needs to be considered. We have no information on his bankroll. How do the people speculating that he should bet 7 X $500 know he has the bankroll to support this betting level? I've read BJA3 serval times, and I saw no mention of how big this counter bankroll was. This information isn't in BJA3. Only this counter knows the size of his bankroll.

Okay, one more point. Among other things, your comment on us not knowing his bankroll'' size. Is that not on if the main fucking points of this farce you're on.

**Sharky** · 04-12-2018, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dbs6582

The reseon this thread struck a nerve with me is because I never read so many posts by APs I typically respect make so many comments that made no sense and boarded on ploppy logic. The exception was RC. It was good to see one AP that got it..

Perhaps you need to reread the thread, pal

..sorry, but I don't feel I need to continue repeating myself 20 times in 50 different ways like many of these ass clowns...once should suffice

**Freightman** · 04-06-2018, 10:50 PM

The least this asshole can do is spread to table max when he goes from 1-7 squares. So, the dumb shit is underfunded too. Hate assholes like this, but remember - he's going to be looked at it, not you, assuming they know not your modus operandi. Further, dipshits like this have no common sense and can't be reasoned with, nor should you try.

Further, from your commentary, it seems like he can back bet your square without your consent. Accordingly, continue to play, spreading low 1-2. So, the count goes skyward, he's at 7x200, and you're 1 or 2 squares at table min.

So, split 10's, resplit if you can, deplete his high cards. Your best result is him losing 1400, regardless of your losing 15-30. He'll be pissed, and when he complains, just tell him it's your money. Even if he wins, it will aggravate him. Of course, don't forget passing your 7 v dealer 6, confidently announcing that you don't want to take his bust card. Hit your 15 v dealer 5's - think you get the gist. For extra measure, hit your 13 v dealer 5, hitting again, if possible. It will drive him nuts.

He will simply not want to play with you. Make sure he's mentally stable before you try this gambit. Remember - with no other tables being available, he is taking your money away from you.

If he doesn't think you're counting, you win. If he knows you are counting, he'll get the message real quick, and you still win. If all goes well, you'll eventually come to an understanding with him.

Remember, if you're options are limited, and you're dealing with a prick, you need to be a bigger prick.