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    Playing with tiny bankroll?

    So, I'm just the minimum legal age to gamble in my jurisdiction. I have a near perfect game, obviously with BS second nature, ability to count down 3 shuffled decks in under a minute with never losing the count, good TC conversion and about 40 indexes to memory. However, with my age and everything, I have very little in terms of a bankroll.

    I just play as a hobby, I enjoy learning new skills as school is boring, and the rush of it more so than actually caring about making money from it. With my low bet sizes I don't think the need for camoflauge will even be an issue (but I know I can do it well if need be, I'm a good actor). The most I can afford to spread is probably just like a 1-8 spread, $5 unit. I know this sucks, my EV is $2.50/hr. Once I actually have a job and stuff I will play the real deal.

    But for now do you guys have any tips on managing to still turn a decent profit off of this type of game? Like understanding every game will have it's natural ups and downs, while the general trend is +$2.5/hr, and cashing out every time I get up say $30? It seems at first this is a decent idea but then again EV is EV, and I suppose there isn't any way to get around it in the long run, right? It's kind of sad to see the skill I've aquired with so much practise is still going to be practically useless for me for many more years, other than going out with my friends with like 1.5-2% better odds than them, but still just "gambling" so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountinCanadian View Post
    But for now do you guys have any tips on managing to still turn a decent profit off of this type of game?
    With such a small BR you need to add to it whenever possible. You need 100% reinvestment of wins. You should only be playing +EV rounds. That means backcounting and most likely betting a little more. The very least you should be doing what was called white rabbit in BJA3 very aggressively avoiding as many negative EV bets as possible. If you don't have Blackjack attack edition 3 by Don Schlesinger and read it a few times. After the first read really digest each chapter individually and try to use it after in the casino. With a bit of luck, well from the sound of it a lot of luck, you might grow a decent BR and play for meaningful earnings some day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountinCanadian View Post
    So, I'm just the minimum legal age to gamble in my jurisdiction. I have a near perfect game, obviously with BS second nature, ability to count down 3 shuffled decks in under a minute with never losing the count, good TC conversion and about 40 indexes to memory. However, with my age and everything, I have very little in terms of a bankroll.

    I just play as a hobby, I enjoy learning new skills as school is boring, and the rush of it more so than actually caring about making money from it. With my low bet sizes I don't think the need for camoflauge will even be an issue (but I know I can do it well if need be, I'm a good actor). The most I can afford to spread is probably just like a 1-8 spread, $5 unit. I know this sucks, my EV is $2.50/hr. Once I actually have a job and stuff I will play the real deal.

    But for now do you guys have any tips on managing to still turn a decent profit off of this type of game? Like understanding every game will have it's natural ups and downs, while the general trend is +$2.5/hr, and cashing out every time I get up say $30? It seems at first this is a decent idea but then again EV is EV, and I suppose there isn't any way to get around it in the long run, right? It's kind of sad to see the skill I've aquired with so much practise is still going to be practically useless for me for many more years, other than going out with my friends with like 1.5-2% better odds than them, but still just "gambling" so to speak.
    So, you're just a youngster playing Blackjack while going to school, who has no money. I mentored a young guy like you, who when I met him, ramped from 5-15, then spread to 2. He built a roll well exceeding 200k. I started my own (replenishable) roll with 600 of seed money. Granted, conditions were much better then for red chippers. Btw, why do you think you're so good? I'd like to hear that answer.

    The key for you, assuming you have potential, is continual reinvestment. I never spent a dime if my roll hit 30k. That may well be a more difficult task for you as you are a student, and students need money. Oh, and poverty for students builds character. One if my daughters in law is a nurse, and got her RN without incurring debt, or hreceiving help. It can be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    So, you're just a youngster playing Blackjack while going to school, who has no money. I mentored a young guy like you, who when I met him, ramped from 5-15, then spread to 2. He built a roll well exceeding 200k. I started my own (replenishable) roll with 600 of seed money. Granted, conditions were much better then for red chippers. Btw, why do you think you're so good? I'd like to hear that answer.

    The key for you, assuming you have potential, is continual reinvestment. I never spent a dime if my roll hit 30k. That may well be a more difficult task for you as you are a student, and students need money. Oh, and poverty for students builds character. One if my daughters in law is a nurse, and got her RN without incurring debt, or hreceiving help. It can be done.
    If you don`t incur debt how do you establish a credit rating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    If you don`t incur debt how do you establish a credit rating.
    Pay everything off in full rather than floating debt. It works great for a very high credit rating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    If you don`t incur debt how do you establish a credit rating.
    Jabber, yes, I think that's appropriate, for all those little jabs. Post after useless post. Why not view the post for the message. Oh, and their ratings are A1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Btw, why do you think you're so good? I'd like to hear that answer
    I don't think I'm so good yet, in fact the contrary. I know there's still tons more indexes to learn, other techniques like ace sequencing and shuffle tracking I can add on top of counting, side counts, etc.

    I just know I'm the type of guy who never really had to try or study, still aced all my classes, and when I get interested in something (whether it be a video game, or other hobby) I become totally obsessed with it. So I know I will be really good. And BJ is something I've found a passion for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountinCanadian View Post
    I don't think I'm so good yet, in fact the contrary. I know there's still tons more indexes to learn, other techniques like ace sequencing and shuffle tracking I can add on top of counting, side counts, etc.

    I just know I'm the type of guy who never really had to try or study, still aced all my classes, and when I get interested in something (whether it be a video game, or other hobby) I become totally obsessed with it. So I know I will be really good. And BJ is something I've found a passion for.
    2 comments
    1. At this stage, don't worry about shuffle tracking or ace sequencing.
    2. Your likely better than 99% of the overall blackjack playing population.

    Your goal is to be better than 99% of that remaining 1%.

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    "2. Your likely better than 99% of the overall blackjack playing population."

    You're, You're, You're, You're.

    Single most misspelled word on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    "2. Your likely better than 99% of the overall blackjack playing population."

    You're, You're, You're, You're.

    Single most misspelled word on the internet.

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    My auto spell feature does drive me nuts. I do, in fact, know the difference.

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    As long as I can get the gist of the message, spelling doesn't mean squat to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountinCanadian View Post
    So, I'm just the minimum legal age to gamble in my jurisdiction. I have a near perfect game, obviously with BS second nature, ability to count down 3 shuffled decks in under a minute with never losing the count, good TC conversion and about 40 indexes to memory. However, with my age and everything, I have very little in terms of a bankroll.

    I just play as a hobby, I enjoy learning new skills as school is boring, and the rush of it more so than actually caring about making money from it. With my low bet sizes I don't think the need for camoflauge will even be an issue (but I know I can do it well if need be, I'm a good actor). The most I can afford to spread is probably just like a 1-8 spread, $5 unit. I know this sucks, my EV is $2.50/hr. Once I actually have a job and stuff I will play the real deal.

    But for now do you guys have any tips on managing to still turn a decent profit off of this type of game? Like understanding every game will have it's natural ups and downs, while the general trend is +$2.5/hr, and cashing out every time I get up say $30? It seems at first this is a decent idea but then again EV is EV, and I suppose there isn't any way to get around it in the long run, right? It's kind of sad to see the skill I've aquired with so much practise is still going to be practically useless for me for many more years, other than going out with my friends with like 1.5-2% better odds than them, but still just "gambling" so to speak.
    With tiny bankroll, you cannot afford playing all. You have to Wong-in when TC is above +1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    As long as I can get the gist of the message, spelling doesn't mean squat to me.
    Yup. That's why we're raising an entire generation of language and math illiterates.

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