8,8 versus 10

**MercySakesAlive** · 03-30-2018, 01:35 PM

6 deck H17 DAS, RSA, no surrender 5/6 penetration, count is high. I put out a max bet. I get 8,8 versus the dealer 10. I have to split right? It feels like I'm throwing away another max bet by splitting. It takes a lot of nerve to shove a couple hundred extra bucks onto the table to split this hand. I gotta do it though, right?

**G Man** · 03-30-2018, 02:07 PM

count is high. I put out a max bet

What do you mean by count is high?
If it's less than +8 you will split, if it's +8 or more you will stand.

**MercySakesAlive** · 03-30-2018, 02:30 PM

I mean I have a 3-4% advantage on the house. The question is in regards to 8,8 v 10. Cheers.

**Bigdaddy** · 03-30-2018, 02:35 PM

If you're at max bet, you're likely past the index, so the answer to your question is to stand and pray.

**Bigdaddy** · 03-30-2018, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by G Man

What do you mean by count is high?
If it's less than +8 you will split, if it's +8 or more you will stand.

I know the Wong Hi-Lo index chart has this play at +8, but I believe the risk-averse index is significantly lower: in the +5 range. Using CVData generated risk-averse indexes for TKO, I get +5 for this play.

**G Man** · 03-30-2018, 03:17 PM

The question was fairly simple but the TC wasn't specified.
The poster never said he was using RA index for playing.
So, 88 vs 10, you will stand at +8 or more, otherwise split.

**Bigdaddy** · 03-30-2018, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by G Man

The question was fairly simple but the TC wasn't specified.
The poster never said he was using RA index for playing.
So, 88 vs 10, you will stand at +8 or more, otherwise split.

Agreed

**MercySakesAlive** · 03-30-2018, 03:29 PM

I use KO with a custom IRC so the count won't mean much if you're using a balanced count. But you have opened my eyes to the idea that I should run a CVData sim and get the index for my count. Its a brutal hand!

**G Man** · 03-30-2018, 03:43 PM

For the penetration you mentioned, a Hi-Lo TC of +8 or more happen just over 1% of the time. It's my belief that KO won't show any index number for staying with 88 vs 10.

**MercySakesAlive** · 03-30-2018, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by G Man

For the penetration you mentioned, a Hi-Lo TC of +8 or more happen just over 1% of the time. It's my belief that KO won't show any index number for staying with 88 vs 10.

Thanks, the Modern Blackjack book does not have an index for 88 v 10. I'll run a CVData index generation here soon.

**MercySakesAlive** · 03-30-2018, 04:28 PM

REKO IRC -20
6 Deck DAS RSA 4.5 pen
88v10 split < 9 otherwise stand
88vA split >= -21 otherwise hit
Actually, that brings up another question. 88vA split >= -21 otherwise hit... is hit the right thing to do if the count is way way low and you're playing 88 v A?

**Stealth** · 03-30-2018, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by MercySakesAlive

I mean I have a 3-4% advantage on the house. The question is in regards to 8,8 v 10. Cheers.

You have a statistical advantage of 3-4% over the house over the course of all the hands you will ever play at these true counts, not necessarily over this hand. The advantage also includes the hands where you have 10/10, blackjack, etc.

**MercySakesAlive** · 03-30-2018, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Stealth

You have a statistical advantage of 3-4% over the house over the course of all the hands you will ever play at these true counts, not necessarily over this hand. The advantage also includes the hands where you have 10/10, blackjack, etc.

yes, understood but thank you for clarifying regardless.