Strategy for longevity at particular casino

**ZeeBabar** · 03-29-2018, 07:11 AM

I wonder what the strategy might be when you find a great place and a great game within a couple (3) of hours drive from home. Its a great game with great penn and decent rules dealt by a couple of dealers (they provide the best penn and I know their shift). I have won about $3k over the last 4 sessions over 2 weeks. Because I have been there often over the years, they know me. One young pit person has even commented "this guy never loses" (to which I reply that I have lost plenty over the years).

The question, do I just go win as much as possible in as short time as possible (cause someone else might show up and burn the game) or do I slow down, maybe go for a session every now and then (once a week, once a month or what?) and hope to preserve it.

When you find a game like this (not always open but they close a carnival game and open it upon request and generally can be played heads up or with one other player) what is the strategy? Do you just play often expecting it will get closed or do you slow down, hope it can last a long long time. When you find such an opportunity, how do you handle it?

The thing is, that at certain times and weekends, this table (despite the penn) probably makes the casino a lot of money as its full with its share of ploppies. Its only a great game at certain times (week days, late nights) when heads up is possible. There is not much heat if you restrict your spread to a modest one ($25 to $125) but the penn means decent EV.

**Meistro123** · 03-29-2018, 07:29 AM

One young pit person has even commented "this guy never loses" (to which I reply that I have lost plenty over the years).

I would not take that approach. A typical gambler is proud, not ashamed of their wins.

I would hit it up for 20 hours in a weekend then not return for a few months.

**Freightman** · 03-29-2018, 07:33 AM

Kid Zee
Yes, I bestow upon you, once again, that lofty title - worthy of your return after a brief hiatus.

To milk, or not to milk - that is the question. The answer lies both in your style of play, as well as your commentary. If truly true that there is no heat at 25-125, further given good rules and excellent pen, further said pen seems to be dealer dependant, further at certain times that you know that you can get heads up, further, that I like to say further, you can crush this game at that low spread (said comment with at east 75%pen)

Further, because I like say further, slash and burn is not your style, so....forget it. So what you can do, and should do, and what I do, is ask yourself before the start of every shoe, since you know the rules, observe the cut on all shuffles and all dealers -ask yourself what spread do I need to beat this shoe, and within your tolerance levels and spread accirdingly. Limit the max spread, if necessary, by whatever perceived heat tolerance you know if.

Be your lovable self to the ploppies and dealers, do a few silly things which you seem to be do good at, and you'll be fine.

Limited to you, don't slash and burn - don't try to be what you're not.

**Sonny** · 03-29-2018, 08:37 AM

Unless other players are hitting your games or you are getting too much heat, don't burn it out. As soon as that changes, be ready to steamroll it.

Why kill a healthy game? Especially a local one!

-Sonny-

**ZeeBabar** · 03-29-2018, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Kid Zee
Yes, I bestow upon you, once again, that lofty title - worthy of your return after a brief hiatus.

To milk, or not to milk - that is the question. The answer lies both in your style of play, as well as your commentary. If truly true that there is no heat at 25-125, further given good rules and excellent pen, further said pen seems to be dealer dependant, further at certain times that you know that you can get heads up, further, that I like to say further, you can crush this game at that low spread (said comment with at east 75%pen)

Further, because I like say further, slash and burn is not your style, so....forget it. So what you can do, and should do, and what I do, is ask yourself before the start of every shoe, since you know the rules, observe the cut on all shuffles and all dealers -ask yourself what spread do I need to beat this shoe, and within your tolerance levels and spread accirdingly. Limit the max spread, if necessary, by whatever perceived heat tolerance you know if.

Be your lovable self to the ploppies and dealers, do a few silly things which you seem to be do good at, and you'll be fine.

Limited to you, don't slash and burn - don't try to be what you're not.

Freightman, the temptation is to go there every day. Once there, the temptation is to play long sessions, aim for $1k each session (has been more). I have kept it to twice a week but wonder if it is too much.

**What me worry** · 03-29-2018, 09:01 AM

I'm sure theyre several people on here including myself, that would go find out for you exactly what that stores threshold is and let you know personally.

**Freightman** · 03-29-2018, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Freightman, the temptation is to go there every day. Once there, the temptation is to play long sessions, aim for $1k each session (has been more). I have kept it to twice a week but wonder if it is too much.

Kid Zee
It's possible that your grasp on slash and burn may be off.

Slash and burn is not playing every day, camping out, so to speak. Slash and burn is to have a philosophy of
-fuck the ploppies
-fuck the house
-fuck everybody
-insulting spreads

Your multi year posting history includes none of the items listed. What you must do is get a firm grasp of house tolerance, and play within it. You must lose, so the house can book wins, assuming they're tracking you. Make sure you wn more than lose. Don't be afraid if both winning or losing streaks. Treat the critter to a dual session at the rub and tug joint.

**jimmybond007** · 03-29-2018, 02:26 PM

There is no "one-size-fits-all" way to approach a game. Each store is different in procedures, thresholds and tolerance. Be smart and pay attention and you will figure out how to balance the scale between EV extraction and longevity. If you have a good deep pen game then dont get greedy.

**ZeeBabar** · 03-29-2018, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Kid Zee
It's possible that your grasp on slash and burn may be off.

Slash and burn is not playing every day, camping out, so to speak. Slash and burn is to have a philosophy of
-fuck the ploppies
-fuck the house
-fuck everybody
-insulting spreads

Your multi year posting history includes none of the items listed. What you must do is get a firm grasp of house tolerance, and play within it. You must lose, so the house can book wins, assuming they're tracking you. Make sure you wn more than lose. Don't be afraid if both winning or losing streaks. Treat the critter to a dual session at the rub and tug joint.

I never mentioned gthe term "slash and burn". Otherwise your advice is good. I do think its hurting your image when you end up mentioning the male genitalia, be it rug and tug or counting method so often.

**ZeeBabar** · 03-29-2018, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by jimmybond007

There is no "one-size-fits-all" way to approach a game. Each store is different in procedures, thresholds and tolerance. Be smart and pay attention and you will figure out how to balance the scale between EV extraction and longevity. If you have a good deep pen game then dont get greedy.

Its in line with my thinking. Its just that I am shocked that they let me play given that I am winning 75% of my sessions and am up significantly over the past 3 months. I do think they will pay attention if someone who is not a regular comes there and starts playing Green/Black.

**Freightman** · 03-29-2018, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

I never mentioned gthe term "slash and burn". Otherwise your advice is good. I do think its hurting your image when you end up mentioning the male genitalia, be it rug and tug or counting method so often.

Kid Zee
Actually, pretty good constructive criticism. I'll consider it, though admittedly, I really don't give a shit.

Also, you didn't say slash and burn per se, rather implied it in paragraph 2 of your OP - which surprised me to the degree that it is not your typical approach.

**Freightman** · 03-29-2018, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Its in line with my thinking. Its just that I am shocked that they let me play given that I am winning 75% of my sessions and am up significantly over the past 3 months. I do think they will pay attention if someone who is not a regular comes there and starts playing Green/Black.

Even ploppies get on burners. Depending on store, your results are just typical store variance, until it's not. If you're play has been reviewed, and you've played your described typical described game, along with your misplays, they'll let you play.

There is one store where I had this ugly losing streak - wanna lose, just go play at store X - same was true at their affiliate store Y. This seemed to be session after session. I've been pounding them long term, both of them for some time, and my wins are way past my losses. It will catch up to me, but not yet.

You are right though - higher betting will catch their eye.