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    Safe to Return after substantial over-pay?

    At a major shop I doubled $125 against a stiff. Dealer won, and took other's money but not mine. I left it there until she scooped the cards, but never corrected, and I collected the $500. Neither did any PCs notice. I played 2-3 more hands then wonged out. (Don't worry, I resisted the urge to tip her.)

    The only way it could be discovered if they routinely check tapes of dealers and find the mistake. I never had heat when I left, but still cashed my chips later.

    I've since returned on a different shift, without apparent incident.

    How long should I wait to return to the same shift that I was overpaid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    At a major shop I doubled $125 against a stiff. Dealer won, and took other's money but not mine. I left it there until she scooped the cards, but never corrected, and I collected the $500. Neither did any PCs notice. I played 2-3 more hands then wonged out. (Don't worry, I resisted the urge to tip her.)

    The only way it could be discovered if they routinely check tapes of dealers and find the mistake. I never had heat when I left, but still cashed my chips later.

    I've since returned on a different shift, without apparent incident.

    How long should I wait to return to the same shift that I was overpaid?
    If they did catch it, they would have approached you on whatever shift you showed up at. You're almost certainly safe. I recall an absolute monster mispay from an experienced dealer. If they had spotted it, I would have been approached before I left.

    It occurred a week or do after a dealer "error" screwing at the same house. I came out on top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    At a major shop I doubled $125 against a stiff. Dealer won, and took other's money but not mine. I left it there until she scooped the cards, but never corrected, and I collected the $500. Neither did any PCs notice. I played 2-3 more hands then wonged out. (Don't worry, I resisted the urge to tip her.)

    The only way it could be discovered if they routinely check tapes of dealers and find the mistake. I never had heat when I left, but still cashed my chips later.

    I've since returned on a different shift, without apparent incident.

    How long should I wait to return to the same shift that I was overpaid?
    I have seen a ploppy being told he got overpaid two months ago and has to pay back. The pit boss told him the casino is waiting for him to return. The ploppy resisted for one minute then agrees to pay it back. It is about $500, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    How long should I wait to return to the same shift that I was overpaid?
    If they catch the error shift won't mayor. They will either ask for you to pay it back or they won't. So the question doesn't involve shift, it becomes a question of going back or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    I've since returned on a different shift, without apparent incident.
    It sounds like you have already seen they aren't going to ask for it back. I have played at some casinos where i got a ridiculous amount of dealer errors because the dealer didn't understand the rules. Later the dealer was fixed. They obviously saw the errors and taught the dealer to deal the game properly. Errors were of numbers types and included giving you half your bet back on surrender but leaving the other half in the betting circle, letting you surrender on any number of cards, paying the BJ bonus on split hands, counting the ace always as 11 making the ace the heavy weight bust card for the dealer but allowing the ace to be 1 or 11 for the players, horrible math skills that had the dealer making lots of payout errors in the favor of the players (of course we pointed out all the ones that hurt any of us), and numerous other errors.

    I played the rest of the dealers shift but didn't alter my play to take advantage of systematic dealer errors. A guy I knew that got in on it was surrendering most hands and altered play a lot to maximize EV caused by dealer errors. He only played the tail end of the dealer's shift while I played almost the entire shift. I got several thousand in dealer errors but as is the case so often when something like this happens I didn't win much. They never asked me for the money back but asked the player that altered his play to take advantage of the dealer mistakes for the money back even though he didn't get as much money in dealer errors. I think I remember trying to explain one error once but the dealer got cocky and said she knew better than everyone else because she was a long time dealer coming back after almost a year off the job. After that nobody was going to say anything.

    If they ask for it back it would have been on the trip back you already showed them. I wouldn't worry about it.

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