9 Sequencing Baccarat?

[Sonny]

Now assume a hypothetical shuffle with all riffles and no cuts. In this scenario, all our keys preceding 9s would stay intact with few random cards interlaced between our keys.

Just a minor nitpick here: Most of the cards will stay in sequence, but not all of them. Keep in mind that riffling the cards first involves cutting them, so the effect of cutting is still there to some degree. Simply riffling the cards will still break some of the sequences.

I'm sure you already know this, so I only bring it up for the sake of the members who are just learning about this technique.

To be clearer, memorising keys *following* 9s or Aces are only important if you are trying to memorise whole slug for some other purpose, and not ace sequencing per se.

That's true. I think there was some confusion because it seemed like you were saying that sequences after the target card are more likely to be broken than the ones before it.

I wonder if memorizing a single contiguous slug of cards would be more valuable than just sequencing a few isolated 9s in Baccarat...

-Sonny-

[Iwantmoney]

James where do you get the figures from? Like the figures for having a ten as sixth card seems suspect. Look it this way in only a third of the games you have six card hands. If having a ten for the sixth card can give Player a ten % advantage it means it raises the EV of Player by as much as 30 % WHEN there is six cards. I can understand how a nine does it but not a face.

If the card is second out, it goes to banker and you have a 20.641% disadvantage

Above statement is incorrect, if card "9" goes to banker and you bet on PLAYER , you have a 23.489% disadvantage , so your expectation = 0.5x21.528% - 0.5 x 23.489% = -0.9805% !
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[James989]

James where do you get the figures from? Like the figures for having a ten as sixth card seems suspect. Look it this way in only a third of the games you have six card hands. If having a ten for the sixth card can give Player a ten % advantage it means it raises the EV of Player by as much as 30 % WHEN there is six cards. I can understand how a nine does it but not a face.

Those figures were generated from Combination Analysis. BTW, I am 99% confident with those figures.

[Iwantmoney]

Those figures were generated from Combination Analysis. BTW, I am 99% confident with those figures.

When I rechecked it is 13% meaning getting face known as sixth card produces as much as 40% EV. How is this possible? The only possible solution seems to be 13% WHEN it DOES come out as sixth card. Then the EV of 13% does not have to be spread to cover the cases where there are only four or five cards. Recall Mean is Average in this case EXPECTED value cannot be when it is sixth no matter whether it comes out or not

[peterlee]

For all combinations when the sixth card is Ten:
592,102,032,130,048	Banker win
794,030,078,345,216	Player win
151,836,589,679,616	Tie win
1,537,968,700,154,880	All win
For the combinations when the sixth card is Ten, and use 6 cards :
86,957,015,252,992	Banker win
345,487,244,050,432	Player win
55,649,049,306,112	Tie win
488,093,308,609,536	All win
For the combinations when the sixth card is Ten, and use 4 or 5 cards :
505,145,016,877,056	Banker win
448,542,834,294,784	Player win
96,187,540,373,504	Tie win
1,049,875,391,545,340	All win

[James989]

When I rechecked it is 13% meaning getting face known as sixth card produces as much as 40% EV. How is this possible? The only possible solution seems to be 13% WHEN it DOES come out as sixth card. Then the EV of 13% does not have to be spread to cover the cases where there are only four or five cards. Recall Mean is Average in this case EXPECTED value cannot be when it is sixth no matter whether it comes out or not

I still stick to my above-mentioned answer, prove me wrong if you can. No offence.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

I guess that my mathematical chops are weak,
but someone needs to tell me how ANY knowledge of the card(s) to be dealt is possible
if the cards were not manually shuffled.

What I meant to say is ... In traditional baccarat the cards are destroyed
after every shoe has been dealt. In the casinos that I know the same holds
true for MIDI Bacc'. The mini-bacc' games use pre-shuffled cards and do a
quick shuffle anyway before putting the cards into an ASM.

Knowledge of cards to come is NOT possible in any case.

[Iwantmoney]

There is is quite a number of ways but it is best to keep these in PMs

What I meant to say is ... In traditional baccarat the cards are destroyed
after every shoe has been dealt. In the casinos that I know the same holds
true for MIDI Bacc'. The mini-bacc' games use pre-shuffled cards and do a
quick shuffle anyway before putting the cards into an ASM.

Knowledge of cards to come is NOT possible in any case.

[James989]

There is is quite a number of ways but it is best to keep these in PMs

Possible to share ? contact me : [email protected]

[peterlee]

There are thousands of casinos in the world.
Some years back, after checking for 20+ casinos in London, I found one baccarat table that was POSSIBLE for sequence tracking, cards remained unshuffle enough for one hand, chance might be once a week.
A European team with 9 players, bet 5000 pounds each on 9 spots, totally 45000 pounds, won and black listed.

[Bushie]

What I meant to say is ... In traditional baccarat the cards are destroyed
after every shoe has been dealt. In the casinos that I know the same holds
true for MIDI Bacc'. The mini-bacc' games use pre-shuffled cards and do a
quick shuffle anyway before putting the cards into an ASM.

Knowledge of cards to come is NOT possible in any case.

Incorrect. I've comes across hand-shuffled mini bacc numerous times In Australia.

A timely reminder that YOUR experience isn't the be-all-end-all undeniable truth.