Different styles of play and GWAE guest, Card Counter “Joe”

[Three]

Originally Posted by Freightman
Normally, I'd be delighted to answer this relatively simple question. However, I note the huge addition of unhelpful comments to my tally. Clearly, my opinions are not wanted or desired. So, if I will err, I will do so on the side of caution, and decline to answer.

Point made. This is getting old.

That's why I put Freighter on ignore. His posts were more about engaging in a broad flame war against a big chunk of the community here, and trite, crass attempts at humor that most people had grown third of. There were very few attempts at being helpful. The community expressed their feelings about such destructive posts in their ratings. Now Freighter seems to think that the few attempts to be helpful that he trickled into the endless disrupting posts are the reason for his unhelpful ratings.

Totally clueless. He is getting increasing unhelpful because more and more people are tiring of his unhelpful posts, not his helpful ones. Get a clue and realize the personal attacks, flame wars, and repetitive attempts at humor (that might have been funny the first 500 posts but are just annoying now) that he wants to be the focus of his posts are the issue, not the helpful on topic posts.

[Freightman]

Oh, You use a "stacked" deck...

She's not implying a training bra.

[Freightman]

That's why I put Freighter on ignore. His posts were more about engaging in a broad flame war against a big chunk of the community here, and trite, crass attempts at humor that most people had grown third of. There were very few attempts at being helpful. The community expressed their feelings about such destructive posts in their ratings. Now Freighter seems to think that the few attempts to be helpful that he trickled into the endless disrupting posts are the reason for his unhelpful ratings.

Totally clueless. He is getting increasing unhelpful because more and more people are tiring of his unhelpful posts, not his helpful ones. Get a clue and realize the personal attacks, flame wars, and repetitive attempts at humor (that might have been funny the first 500 posts but are just annoying now) that he wants to be the focus of his posts are the issue, not the helpful on topic posts.

Oh, brother.

[Stealth]

Agreed Moses. Always watch the people watching. Most are bored, hoping for something interesting to talk about in the break room. Give them something to look at and think about other than the AP. Simple misdirection. But I'm old school

When playing and "checks play" is called or the pit boss has been watching and turns and goes to phone, watch his/her eyes as they are likely calling surveillance. If it is about you then while they are talking they will look in your direction. Happens every time.

At that point, understand they have likely asked surveillance to evaluate your play which may mean going forward or may mean re-run the shoe(s) and rate your play. Not much good can come from this, so I usually decide it is time to seek my fortune elsewhere, as should you.

[Three]

The problem for me is that your strategy in response is 10 times as annoying and is intended as such. It stirs the pot unnecessarily and in no way contributes to any kind of peace and tranquillity here. If you think that HiOpt II is being recommended where it should not be, then simply say so and why.

Amen. I got this message a couple of years ago. I will still use Hilo in comparisons because it is the most popular simple count and performs comparably to most other simple counts, and use Hiopt2/ASC to represent the top performers because it is the top performer for a comparison that shows the range of what is possible with traditional and accessible counts. Perhaps another choice would be better since few people are suited to Hiopt2 and several other counts perform almost as well in sims. But I am interested in Hiopt2 since my playing count is Hiopt2 so I use it in comparisons to show the range of what is possible. I don't use Hiopt2/ASC for betting. My betting count is a level 4 count. I didn't like the quarter deck estimates needed for Hiopt2/ASC and my solution to the problem which eliminated the need for quarter deck estimates resulted in a level 4 betting count. Halves or a few other counts would due just as well for representing the top performers in the range of possibility comparisons.

[Freightman]

When playing and "checks play" is called or the pit boss has been watching and turns and goes to phone, watch his/her eyes as they are likely calling surveillance. If it is about you then while they are talking they will look in your direction. Happens every time.

At that point, understand they have likely asked surveillance to evaluate your play which may mean going forward or may mean re-run the shoe(s) and rate your play. Not much good can come from this, so I usually decide it is time to seek my fortune elsewhere, as should you.

One particular incident stands out in my mind. Started to play at Mirage, rejected card, and got the grilling from the dealers - where are u from, where do you play, do you have a mortgage, and what is the name of your first born.

Anyways, ramped quick got the eye, critter sauntered over to her phone, hunkered down and whispered into the phone. No, she didn't to turn and look at me, but some things are obvious. Wasn't there long, but it was quickly time to go.

[Three]

People have strong opposing opinions around here and try to influence others by insulting the systems others use.

I hope my recent years of posting that what count is best is a very personal decision and varies by the individual and games they attack has you not seeing me as one of those you describe here. A very important AP skill is noticing when conditions change and altering your approach to the changes. The posters here that have that important skill should have seen the change and adjusted their attitude accordingly. Obviously some posters here don't have that skill.

[Three]

Have you ever heard so much bullshit in one thread?

I think anyone that has been here a while must be laughing their asses off at the absurdity of this comment.

[Three]

I could tell you many stories like this I've heard from people. It's hard for me to see how you got in 1,000 hours your first year playing this way.

Its easy for me to understand. He plays different than all of use. He goes in and plays nonstop until he gets the tap. That means when he finds a place that lets him tombstone for a while he gets in 20 hours a day. A random casino would not let him play long at all. I won't burn the play by saying how to pick casinos that will allow a longer exposure before getting the tap but I understand 2 conditions that are big contributors to this off the top of my head. If you look for these conditions you have a much better chance of playing longer with Joe's approach. Most of us probably wouldn't play at some of these casinos. That helps Joe play more when he is there for two reasons. So Joe would only need to find 3 or 4 dozen such casinos to visit in a years time to get in 1000 hours of play. When you state it like that instead of getting in 1000 hours when being backed off quickly it goes from seeming impossible tossing very easy.

[Three]

Here's the problem with your logic.

Some casinos think their crappy games are their game protection. They are willing to give you a shot at beating it even if you are obviously counting and betting very aggressively. Enough said.

[BoSox]

I hope my recent years of posting that what count is best is a very personal decision and varies by the individual and games they attack has you not seeing me as one of those you describe here.

I reserve my opinion for a later date, as I still see plenty of criticisms only with more subtlety and indirectly in other ways. The problem that is presented to me after reading one of your post to which I cannot respond to is because I still do not know if you are talking about blackjack or Spanish 21.

A very important AP skill is noticing when conditions change and altering your approach to the changes. The posters here that have that important skill should have seen the change and adjusted their attitude accordingly. Obviously some posters here don't have that skill.

I am very familiar to recognize changing conditions in a casino, and will adapt accordingly. You are right it is a very important skill to learn and I believe plenty of members on the board overlook the concept. Pertaining to an internet board member now that is much more difficult to see what is genuine change and what is not.

[paydatman]

I visted that discord and its honestly got alot of guys with infalated heads and full of themselves, not to mention Blackjack Army Mike Morgenstern lurks in there too. That discord gives blackjack and AP's a bad name. The casinos are the enemy, not other people, yet that forum laughs and talks shit about other members in that forum's abilities and experience levels. If you have an immature attitude, no friends and nothing better to do in the day, then that discord is for you.

[Freightman]

Have a little whine with your cheese Ryemo.

I've used the hidden poster feature a few times. Always for a good reason. Then of course, they're those who have no good reason to use the feature, like the asshole I'm responding to.

Obviously, they're a few gutless wonders who don't have the gastric fortitude to throw shit under their own handle.