Rounded TKO Index

**Phoebe** · 02-27-2018, 06:00 AM

Between REKO and full TKO ...
What do you think about rounding index ?

+2
Stay 16 vs 10
Stay 12 vs 3
Stay A7 vs A (except H17)
Doubling 8 vs 6
Doubling 9 vs 2
Doubling A7 vs 2
Doubling A8 vs 5
Doubling A8 vs 6
Doubling 11 vs A (except ENHC)

+4

Take Insurance
Stay 15 vs T
Stay 12 vs 2
Doubling 8 vs 5
Doubling 9 vs 7
Doubling 10 vs 10 (except ENHC)
Doubling 10 vs A (except ENHC)

For information, it's from http://pokermenteur.free.fr/ez-tko (in French, sorry)

**Phoebe** · 02-27-2018, 06:41 AM

In English http://pokermenteur.free.fr/ez-tko/en
Please correct it.

**Bigdaddy** · 02-27-2018, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Philippe B

Between REKO and full TKO ...
What do you think about rounding index ?

+2
Stay 16 vs 10
Stay 12 vs 3
Stay A7 vs A (except H17)
Doubling 8 vs 6
Doubling 9 vs 2
Doubling A7 vs 2
Doubling A8 vs 5
Doubling A8 vs 6
Doubling 11 vs A (except ENHC)

+4

Take Insurance
Stay 15 vs T
Stay 12 vs 2
Doubling 8 vs 5
Doubling 9 vs 7
Doubling 10 vs 10 (except ENHC)
Doubling 10 vs A (except ENHC)

For information, it's from http://pokermenteur.free.fr/ez-tko (in French, sorry)

Philippe -

I generated my TKO indexes from CVData - using the risk averse setting. I use TKO for multi-deck play (6 and 8-deck games).

Your plays at +4 are exactly the same as what I use - dead on. Regarding your +2 group, I make all of those plays at +1, except for 16 v. 10, I use 0. F....ck'm. (Excuse my French

).

**Phoebe** · 02-28-2018, 12:24 AM

Thank you.
I use +2 because it's exactly current key as defined in the pages (no flaw in the one in English ?)
No need to compute anything else.

**Three** · 02-28-2018, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

F....ck'm. (Excuse my French).

I don't speak french. Maybe there is a nun around to translate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTUWWiVop4k

**Phoebe** · 02-28-2018, 08:58 AM

I have an idea of the suspension points but I do not see the relationship with the French or the thread !?

**Red Green** · 02-28-2018, 10:50 AM

How many compromise groupings do you guys use?

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**Phoebe** · 02-28-2018, 11:21 AM

Absolutely no problem, Three, I had understood and I had appreciated your post and video.
What I didn't understand is the joke from Bigdaddy.

BTW. Did you see that I translated my page ?

**Three** · 02-28-2018, 01:57 PM

I got a pretty funny joke, if I don't butcher it:

Upon awakening two young brothers ages 4 and 6 decide they will learn to curse that day. The one decides he will use "hell" and the other "fuck". They go downstairs for breakfast. Their mother asks them what they want for breakfast. The first to respond says, "What the hell. Ill have Cornflakes". The mother flips out and grabs a heavy spoon and chases the boy back to his room beating him with the spoon the whole way. She comes back down and asks the other boy what he wants for breakfast. He responds, "I don't no. But it sure as fuck isn't going to be Cornflakes".

**Phoebe** · 02-28-2018, 02:04 PM

Relationship with French is much clearer. Thanks.
And why "F....ck'm" ?

[Edit] your joke shows me the way.
As in French "putain, que c'est beau" must be translated to "damn it's beautiful"
"Putain" only is ...excuse my French

**Phoebe** · 02-28-2018, 02:38 PM

it does not matter.
Back on topic, I just finished sims with group @+1 or group @+2 (among others)
No visible différence

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**Bigdaddy** · 02-28-2018, 04:13 PM

Ok Philippe -

First - Sometimes when people use a swear word amongst a polite group where that type of language might be viewed as unnecessarily vulgar, they make a little joke and say "excuse my French"; i.e., like the word was really a foreign language. I'm not sure of the origin of this practice.

Second - I used the term "f...ck'm" as short for "screw them" regarding my decision to play the 16 v. 10 at the exact index of 0. This means that I don't care that I'm changing my playing decisions on this common hand and thereby possibly exposing myself as a counter.

Third - You are correct that grouping of indexes is a very practical approach and it won't make a darn bit of difference in your lifetime playing results if you decide to use +1 or +2 on your first group of index plays.

Finally - I really liked the video posted by Three - it's a hoot!

**Phoebe** · 03-01-2018, 01:06 AM

Thanks.
Every day something to learn. Nice.

Originally Posted by Three

Are you really playing an 8 deck H17 game with no surrender and D8?

Sometime, on board, with comps and easy Wonging.
Most of time I play D6, S17, ENHC
Maybe I'm wrong but I use the worst game for comparaison, mainly D8 as penalty for compromise is maximum.