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    On studying indices (by the hundreds) ...

    You probably won’t remember this, but the “forgetting curve” theory explains why learning is hard

    Nikhil Sonnad/Feb 28, 2018

    Learning has an evolutionary purpose: Among species, individuals that adapt to their environments will succeed. That’s why your brain more easily retains important or surprising information: It takes very little effort to remember that the neighbor’s dog likes to bite. Remembering the dog’s name is harder. One ensures safety, the other is just a random fact.

    But today, the kinds of things humans want to learn are rarely focused on survival; we also use our adaptive, evolutionary memory to remember new languages, 11-step face-washing routines, obscure vocabulary words, and facts about Star Wars. The trick to doing so, once you’ve decided to acquire a new skill or build up your knowledge in a particular area, lies in convincing your brain that the information matters. In other words, you have to overcome the “forgetting curve.”

    HERMANN EBBINGHAUS’ MEMORY EXPERIMENTS

    The forgetting curve is a mathematical formula that describes the rate at which something is forgotten after it is initially learned. The idea is over 100 years old. It originates in the late 19th century, with German psychologist Hermann Ebbinghaus, who was among the first scientists to perform experiments to understand how memory works.

    Ebbinghaus performed his experiments on himself. He would first memorize lists of meaningless syllables, say these:

    After that, he tested himself periodically, to see how many of the nonsense syllables he remembered at various points in time. Ebbinghaus discovered that his memory of them quickly decayed. This phenomenon of learning and promptly forgetting information will be familiar to anyone who has tried to cram the night before an exam.

    Another way of putting it is that the forgetting curve is initially very steep. On a chart, the amount of knowledge retained drops almost straight down. Ebbinghaus also found, though, that his memory eventually leveled off. So the next day, he might remember just a few items from the list—but he would remember those for many days afterward.




    Yet if this steep drop-off always followed learning, it seems it would be extremely time consuming to remember any full list. But we know from experience that such forgetfulness doesn’t always occur (Princess Leia’s prison cell block number: AA-23).

    Ebbinghaus made a second discovery: The downward slope of the forgetting curve can be softened by repeating the learned information at particular intervals. This principle is the foundation of the learning method known as “spaced repetition,” where material is learned then reviewed after increasingly large time gaps.

    The modern version of Ebbinghaus’ discovery is defined with this equation:

    In this formula, R is a measure of how readily you can recall something, s is the “strength” of your memory, t is the amount of time that has passed, and e is the magical Euler’s number. Repeating and reviewing information increases the strength of the memory, leading the downward slope of R to become more gradual.




    Overcoming the forgetting curve is about more than raw repetitions. There has to be space between the reviews. It doesn’t work to just study a new fact 15 times in 1 hour and overcome the curve. If the fact is already at the front of the mind, no work is being done in recalling it again. But if information is repeated at intervals, the brain has to reconstruct that memory, strengthening it like a muscle.

    Spaced repetition works on other animals, too. One study trained bees to recognize sugar water from other, less exciting stimuli. The bees that were trained every 10 minutes learned much better than those trained every 30 seconds.

    An unhelpful but common metaphor is that of the brain-as-computer, or computer-as-brain. The two things are often presented as working the same way. A brain “stores” memories like files on a hard drive, and software uses “neural networks” to learn like the human mind does. But the reality of learning is different. The computer won’t forget where the file is, and the neural network can only learn what it’s told to.

    The forgetting curve shows how brains are different. They can learn anything, which means they need to filter out the important from the trivial. Luckily, understanding how the curve works makes it easier to learn things that may not be necessary for survival, but are deeply rewarding. Like a new language, a musical instrument, or the name of Chewbacca’s father (it’s Attichitcuk).


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    I cannot recall the phone numbers (of anyone)
    due to my reliance on technology.

    Growing up without computers had drawbacks
    as well as many valuable benefits.

    In ancient times, long before printing presses, etc.
    The memory skills of educated people were prodigious.

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    There is some relavence here. I've firgotten the OP already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    I cannot recall the phone numbers (of anyone)
    due to my reliance on technology.
    My memory sucks and I can remember the phone numbers of all my friends from 30 to 40 years ago. When you beat something into memory hard enough you don't forget. I always test my mental acumen before I play. Sometimes I need a warm up and sometimes I am already sharp. You want to try something interesting test your skills when you quit playing. That will tell you if you are getting mentally fatigued.

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    Serious advice,

    Casino Verite is clearly "the way to go"
    when it comes to "warming up" before playing.


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    Moses, perhaps a tablet?

    Thank you, Flash. The hardest bit about learning the indexes was trying to learn them all separately. Memorising them by line has made it much easier. Instead of needing to recall over 100 discrete things, I only have 30 or 40 now that I've lumped them. They are easier too because they are larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Thanks Bubbles. Will my current Verite CD work on a tablet? Or do I need to order new?
    If it's a regular tablet, you can download CVBJ like any other app. Norm has it on the Apple Store as well as Google Play Store.

    Most tablets don't have a full OS like a computer. You've found one with a CD slot? It's worth a try. If it does have a full OS, like a Microsoft Surface Pro, but does not have a CD slot, then you can download CVBJ from qfit.com. To unlock it you'll need to email Norm for a code. You shouldn't need to order new.




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    Good advice.

    Personally, I practice daily. If I'm super tired, I still practice counting. If I'm a damn zombie, it's basic strategy...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    Good advice.

    Personally, I practice daily. If I'm super tired, I still practice counting. If I'm a damn zombie, it's basic strategy...lol.
    I found the "Mask" function on CVBJ drills to be great for drilling the index numbers into my memory. I also practice daily on a phone app anytime I go for a walk etc.

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    Thanks for that post Zen-master flash.

    There is a great app called memorize, if I remember correctly (-; ... it helps with this phenomena. As a teacher I often use these types of techniques to help students increase their memory. A good rule of thumb which verifies this research is that if you have to work (it takes you a while to access the info) to remember something then the next time you wish to recall it after an extended period the better that recall will be.

    Another technique I use is connecting a story to otherwise boring pieces of information, this as you so eloquently wrote is why we remember the neighbour's dog bites but we don't remember its name (so readily), i.e there is a gory, painful story which enables the memory. A banal example would be memorising the index for +7 (I have one index here from Wong's P.B) 16 vs 8 stand not hit... the story is that +7 fits between (1)6 and 8. This is what's called a hook, you can use the hook to access the information and after enough repetitions it becomes automatic. Inventing stories seems odd at first, but as with everything humans do we get much better with practise.

    This area of memory is called mnemonics and a story often attributed to its origins is from Simonides of Ceos, a greek who left a banquet to pay a debt and while he was gone the building collapsed and killed all the other guests, he was able to remember who was there (presumably the bodies were beyond recognition) by using his visual memory of the places at the great table.

    I use these methods on a daily basis to remember names, especially more than a few... I'd be happy to share a simple technique should anyone be interested..

    remember! have a nice day

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    Using a "Memory Castle" is the time-honored method of learning a great deal of data - that can be grouped in some way.

    So you imagine a castle that you are walking through (or something similar e.g.
    a filing cabinet with many drawers) and

    you 'place' things there. So, mentally you access a room or a drawer or whatever that has a sign on it. The sign says 12

    and you open the door to see all of the indices that you need - and it might look like 5 2 0 -1 - etc. (other notes can be added)

    In studying, you move between the rooms ~ reviewing the contents as you go. At the tables, if forgetful, you can close your eyes

    and access the correct room.

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    This is why teaching basic strategy is easier when using a set of rules rather than a colored matrix with some 300 items.

    For example:

    Your hand = 9 then double down 3-6 otherwise hit.

    Your hand = A,7 then double down 3-6, stand 2,7,8, otherwise hit.

    BTW, nice post ZMF. Although generally aware of the concepts, the specific information was new and appreciated.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    I wonder why some folks remember the good things (of the past, or friends) and some only remember the bad things (mistakes people made, bad incidents). The former seem able to forgive, the latter carry a chip on their shoulder.

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